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Better not. If really collision then how? How to claim? Claim from who? Will accident report centre accept your report that the other party is a computer in the car with no driving licence?

 

Will TP give you a ticket for colliding with the computer car even though it might be the computer car's fault??

 

Too many question marks at this stage. Better stay far far away from computer cars.

 

 

If crash, just close the Windows. Open them again to restart.

If still cannot work, go to SAFE mode and use back previous setting.

 

That should make the computer car work again. :grin:

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I still don't think the current driverless system is smart enough to take over taxi driver Job. Even with the help on backend tracking and monitoring there are still many unknowns that as of now what human can do computer cannot do. So I believe for fully driverless without drivers still need very long time and that will not be just few years..

 

Not now of course. These things take time to develop. 

 

I'd say within the next 20-30 years, or maybe longer.

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Not now of course. These things take time to develop.

 

I'd say within the next 20-30 years, or maybe longer.

So that's why I say taxi driver rice bowl is not lost yet at least for next few yrs probably next 10yrs, just change of role only. News report like very serious, taxi driver will lose job etc. For me, I see it as if government decided to go ahead with driverless taxi, there will be some who will or may need to attend courses just to learn the characteristic of the system and how it behave, how to take over and drive manually etc. There will still be driver sitting in the car. Just that the car will be driven automatically. Should the driver feel too bored that they have nothing to do, they could actually just disable auto driving and drive manually. If really fully automated driverless taxi within next few years, it would be too scary, so will not happen that fast one. Edited by Yewheng
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true that..one thing to add..some of the red cab drivers had migrated over to the purple

 

you already have multiple driverless car threads...still need to add one more?

 

merged and warned

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Tesla autopilot is not having a good time.

A few crashes even with a driver inside.

Driverless cars anyone, for more mayhem ?

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What if.. they have an emergency stop button for passenger to activate.. but turns out that it could only be activated when the vehicle is not moving.....

 

What if.. one day, when the car is driverless, but the car is not able to detect some obstacle in front and went full speed....

 

What if.. one new company launch a new driver less car manufactoring, who can ensure that its AI is 99.999999% accidental free...

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Forget it for now. Cannot be song song kao Jurong.

 

Anyone using Google map navigation?

Sometimes, sometimes the GPS not accurate and tell me wrong direction. Sometime cannot get signal and blur.

Isn't driverless car uses GPS?

 

Good luck when it turns to nowhere.

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Easy for you to say.

 

What if the computer BSOD without keyboard/mouse/reset/power button?

 

How to restart Windows? [laugh]

 

 

If crash, just close the Windows. Open them again to restart.

If still cannot work, go to SAFE mode and use back previous setting.

 

That should make the computer car work again. :grin:

 

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A lot of car accidents are caused by

 

the failure of the nut behind the wheel.

 

We need to do away with it as soon

 

as possible to make the roads safer.

 

:D

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Easy for you to say.

 

What if the computer BSOD without keyboard/mouse/reset/power button?

 

How to restart Windows? [laugh]

Hahaha, then have do it manually.

Aiyah, so troublesome, use Android and touch screen.

 

Since its auto drive, no need windows already. Use Google Glasses if necessary.

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Singapore to kick off first self-driving bus trial in Jurong
BY VALERIE KOH PUBLISHED: 9:28 AM, OCTOBER 19
 
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A look at one of the autonomous buses set to be deployed. Photo: NTU, LTA
 
 
SINGAPORE — Singapore kicked off its first self-driving bus trial on Wednesday (Oct 19), after the Land Transport Authority (LTA) and Nanyang Technological University (NTU) inked an agreement to develop and test autonomous bus technologies.
 
Work to design and develop the technologies start immediately, but it will be some time before the buses hit the streets. Likely test routes include the roads between NTU and CleanTech Park in Jurong, and subsequently, between these two locations and Pioneer MRT station.
 
The end game is clear: For driverless buses to offer fixed and scheduled services for intra- and inter-town travel.
 
The Energy Research Institute at NTU will work with the LTA to develop and test autonomous bus technologies, and run a trial involving two 12-metre electric hybrid buses. This follows on the LTA’s Request for Information on self-driving concepts in June last year.
 
Under this trial, existing buses will be fitted with intelligent sensors and charging technology, as well as an autonomous system with the means to “effectively navigate Singapore’s local road traffic and climate conditions”. Recharging can be done at bus depots or bus stops. 
 
NTU had previously ventured into autonomous vehicle technology with a driverless electric shuttle plying its campus and CleanTech Park in 2013. 
 
Professor Lam Khin Yong, NTU chief of staff and vice president (research) said: “Current efforts worldwide have been focused on cars so this autonomous bus trial is the first-of-its-kind in Singapore that will aim to improve road safety, reduce vehicle congestion, alleviate pollution and address manpower challenges.”
 
Besides the autonomous bus technologies, the LTA also announced that it will partner NTU on a research study to develop a real-time condition monitoring system for the rail network. The prototype is expected to pick up budding problems with the traction power to “enhance preventive maintenance”. 
 
“This will be done using a patented technology with fault diagnostic capability that can be used around the clock without disrupting normal train operations,” said the LTA’s chief executive Chew Men Leong at the opening ceremony of the three-day Singapore International Transport Congress and Exhibition on Wednesday.
 
Apart from the two partnerships, LTA also announced a collaboration with Google to digitise floor plans for five MRT stations at City Hall, Raffles Place, Orchard, Esplanade and Promenade. Starting Wednesday, these floor plans will be made available on Google Maps. The feedback from these stations will be reviewed, ahead of plans to roll out the initiative island-wide.

 

 

 

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Firm puts public trials of self-driving vehicles on hold after accident

 

SINGAPORE — The self-driving car which was involved in Tuesday’s (Oct 18) widely-reported accident with a lorry was undergoing a rehearsal when the mild collision happened as it was changing lanes — just a couple of minutes before a demonstration in front of about 50 delegates attending the Singapore International Transport Congress and Exhibition (SITCE) held at Suntec City.

 

The demonstration went ahead but minus the portion intended to showcase a driverless car — developed by Singapore start-up nuTonomy — switching lanes smoothly, the company’s co-founder Emilio Frazzoli revealed on Wednesday. Speaking to TODAY on the sidelines of a panel discussion at the SITCE, Mr Frazzoli also said that his company's public trials at one-north, where the accident happened, have been suspended for “hopefully just a few days” while investigations take place.

 

Mr Frazzoli said Tuesday’s accident could not have happened at a worse timing. “We were redoing the same thing we have done a gazillion times since last April (when trials started in Singapore). And this one time, it was just a combination of factors that contributed to the accident,” he said. The speed of the driverless car was just 4 km/h when it collided with the lorry, Mr Frazzoli said, but the impact was enough to dent both vehicles.

 

He added that the company has “a pretty good idea” on the cause of the accident but he declined to elaborate, citing the ongoing probe. The company has handed over data logs and submitted a preliminary report to the Land Transport Authority (LTA).

 

During the panel discussion, Mr Frazzoli and representatives from other firms developing driverless technology also shared their experiences putting such cars on the roads.

 

In the eight days that Delphi Automotive Systems had undergone trials in one-north since late September, its driverless vehicle had “a few incidents whereby the car couldn’t merge lanes to take a left turn”, its technical director of automated driving Serge Lambermont told TODAY. The vehicle eventually managed to reroute itself, he added. On other occasions, it was able to return to the same spot and execute the manoeuvre with no trouble.

 

An audience member asked whether, in a hypothetical situation, a driverless car would be programmed to avoid hitting a child but end up colliding with a pole for instance. In response, Mr Frazzoli said: “In the absence of rules, people come up with their own rules and their priorities. And in our case, what we try to do is… we try to protect things that are squishy and small. So humans, we tend to avoid, we prefer to hit stationary things with respect to this case.”

 

Mr Niels de Boer, programme director at the Centre of Excellence for Testing & Research of Autonomous vehicles at Nanyang Technological University, added: “How did you get in the problem where the only way out is to get into an accident in the first place? Something has already gone bad beforehand… Laws of physics still applies (even with driverless vehicles). You will not be able to avoid every single accident.”

 

http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/self-driving-car-accident-one-north-took-place-minutes-public-demonstration

 

I am not very comforted by Mr Frazzoli's explanation. I kee chiu to take part in experiment with him, I walk infront of the driverless car and Mr Frazzoli stands stationary on the same side of the road. After all, its "just 4km/h".   [:)] 

 

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UK debate:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3962910/Driverless-car-owners-blame-crashes-technology-blame-insurers-warn.html

Driverless car owners could take the blame for any crashes even if the technology is to blame, insurers warn
 

Owners of driverless cars could be wrongly blamed for a crash even if the technology was at fault, insurers have warned.

The Association of British Insurers yesterday called for new legislation forcing car makers to collect key data which can be used after an accident to quickly establish whether the driver or the driverless car was to blame.

 

The move highlighted the ‘legal minefield’ of motor insurance for vehicles whose speed, steering and braking are entirely computer-controlled.

 

It came as the transport minister warned driverless cars were not necessarily a good thing and said private companies could not be trusted to put them on the roads without strict regulation.

 

The insurance lobby group insisted that underwriters should be able to recover costs from the vehicle’s manufacturer when faulty technology is involved in a crash, helping to keep insurance premiums down for motorists.

 

The data requested by insurers would cover a period from 30 seconds before to 15 seconds after the accident.

It would include a record from the car’s satellite navigation system of the time and location of the accident; confirmation of whether the vehicle was in autonomous or manual mode; when the driver last interacted with the system; and whether the driver’s seat was occupied, and whether the seatbelt was fastened.

 

Huw Evans, director general of the ABI, said the data ‘would offer public reassurance by protecting motorists from being incorrectly blamed if something fails with their car, helping police investigations and supporting prompt insurance payouts.’

Experts have warned that the issue of who is responsible for a crash involving a driverless car could be a legal minefield.

Peter Shaw, chief executive of road safety firm Thatcham Research said: ‘One of the key battlegrounds of the future will be determining where liability rests in the event of an accident with an automated car. Future legislation needs to protect the consumer so that in the event of an accident, responsibility for the accident and who pays can be quickly established. Was it a driver error or a failure of the automated driving system.’

 

A host of the world’s biggest car manufacturers and technology giants - including Ford, Nissan and Google - are rushing to develop the first fully-automated car. They are expected to be on sale and on the roads by 2020.

 

The British government has committed to being at the forefront of this new technology, with the first public test of driverless cars taking place on the streets of Milton Keynes last month.

But yesterday a transport minister John Hayes told a parliamentary committee that he had reservations about driverless cars.

 

Giving evidence to the House of Lords science and technology committee, Mr Hayes said he rejected the ‘Whiggish assumption that all change means progress’ and that while there may be advantages to driverless cars, the government would proceed with caution.

 

He told the committee that autonomous vehicles would need to be strictly regulated if they were to benefit society and that car manufacturers could not be left to their own devices as they would be driven by commercial interests and not ‘motivated in the first instance by virtue’.

 

The first known fatality involving a self driving car - involving a Tesla car on autopilot mode - occurred in Florida in May.

Peers on the committee raised concerns that driverless vehicles could also increase congestion by discouraging people to use public transport.

 

But Mr Hayes said the vehicles could reduce traffic by encouraging car sharing. 

 

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Firm puts public trials of self-driving vehicles on hold after accident

 

SINGAPORE — The self-driving car which was involved in Tuesday’s (Oct 18) widely-reported accident with a lorry was undergoing a rehearsal when the mild collision happened as it was changing lanes — just a couple of minutes before a demonstration in front of about 50 delegates attending the Singapore International Transport Congress and Exhibition (SITCE) held at Suntec City.

 

The demonstration went ahead but minus the portion intended to showcase a driverless car — developed by Singapore start-up nuTonomy — switching lanes smoothly, the company’s co-founder Emilio Frazzoli revealed on Wednesday. Speaking to TODAY on the sidelines of a panel discussion at the SITCE, Mr Frazzoli also said that his company's public trials at one-north, where the accident happened, have been suspended for “hopefully just a few days” while investigations take place.

 

Mr Frazzoli said Tuesday’s accident could not have happened at a worse timing. “We were redoing the same thing we have done a gazillion times since last April (when trials started in Singapore). And this one time, it was just a combination of factors that contributed to the accident,” he said. The speed of the driverless car was just 4 km/h when it collided with the lorry, Mr Frazzoli said, but the impact was enough to dent both vehicles.

 

He added that the company has “a pretty good idea” on the cause of the accident but he declined to elaborate, citing the ongoing probe. The company has handed over data logs and submitted a preliminary report to the Land Transport Authority (LTA).

 

During the panel discussion, Mr Frazzoli and representatives from other firms developing driverless technology also shared their experiences putting such cars on the roads.

 

In the eight days that Delphi Automotive Systems had undergone trials in one-north since late September, its driverless vehicle had “a few incidents whereby the car couldn’t merge lanes to take a left turn”, its technical director of automated driving Serge Lambermont told TODAY. The vehicle eventually managed to reroute itself, he added. On other occasions, it was able to return to the same spot and execute the manoeuvre with no trouble.

 

An audience member asked whether, in a hypothetical situation, a driverless car would be programmed to avoid hitting a child but end up colliding with a pole for instance. In response, Mr Frazzoli said: “In the absence of rules, people come up with their own rules and their priorities. And in our case, what we try to do is… we try to protect things that are squishy and small. So humans, we tend to avoid, we prefer to hit stationary things with respect to this case.”

 

Mr Niels de Boer, programme director at the Centre of Excellence for Testing & Research of Autonomous vehicles at Nanyang Technological University, added: “How did you get in the problem where the only way out is to get into an accident in the first place? Something has already gone bad beforehand… Laws of physics still applies (even with driverless vehicles). You will not be able to avoid every single accident.”

 

http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/self-driving-car-accident-one-north-took-place-minutes-public-demonstration

 

I am not very comforted by Mr Frazzoli's explanation. I kee chiu to take part in experiment with him, I walk infront of the driverless car and Mr Frazzoli stands stationary on the same side of the road. After all, its "just 4km/h".   [:)] 

 

This program logic as explain by mr frazzoli is not safe. self driving programming logic will almost impossible to resolve all sorts of situations on the roads. It all depends on what is the priority the programmers put in place. To protect passengers takes priority or protect pedestrians? Given the situation post to frazzoli, what if having a ebreak will cause harm to the passengers, and the object in front is not a lamp post but a human, and evasion is not possible anymore unless ebreak is applied, what will the program do? and there will be many more similar situations on the roads everyday. If someone dies or seriously injured, who is responsible? Is the company ready to compensate all medical cost and lost of income to injuries and death caused by their programs?

 

We are talking about life and death of human being. frazzoli's answer is worrying to me.

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Firm puts public trials of self-driving vehicles on hold after accident

 

 

I am not very comforted by Mr Frazzoli's explanation. I kee chiu to take part in experiment with him, I walk infront of the driverless car and Mr Frazzoli stands stationary on the same side of the road. After all, its "just 4km/h".   [:)] 

 

 

if every car was self-driving.. this would become non-issue..  

This program logic as explain by mr frazzoli is not safe. self driving programming logic will almost impossible to resolve all sorts of situations on the roads. It all depends on what is the priority the programmers put in place. To protect passengers takes priority or protect pedestrians? Given the situation post to frazzoli, what if having a ebreak will cause harm to the passengers, and the object in front is not a lamp post but a human, and evasion is not possible anymore unless ebreak is applied, what will the program do? and there will be many more similar situations on the roads everyday. If someone dies or seriously injured, who is responsible? Is the company ready to compensate all medical cost and lost of income to injuries and death caused by their programs?

 

We are talking about life and death of human being. frazzoli's answer is worrying to me.

 

if there was a self-drive vs self drive accident... then they seriously shld juz shut down the whole thing...

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