Work-life balance? Know trade-offs too

[DACH]

i thought so too but @enye and @kusje seem to be doing well... haha...

They are elites.

[DACH]

Your case is difference, cause 7 of you have come to a mutual understanding that you guys dont eat lunch together due to personal reason. In a office, eating lunch together or not does not necessary means that the bonding is strong or not strong if mutual understanding has been agreed in the first. But let's say if among 7 of you and there is one person behave anti-social and dont mix with the rest, the rest of you might outcast this person, and any lunch or gathering you guys would exclude this person and also might ended up dont talk to this person. Such situation would be totally different from your case liao.

 

So my point is, no matter what kind of office environment or what type of colleagues, a person still must know how to socialise with others in the office, and cannot be too special and live in their own world. Unless you are telling me this person has autism. Lol.

Then why not work on that mutual understanding the person's needs, rather than stereotyping?

 

Sometimes some people don't want to talk doesn’t mean they are anti-social. Their workload may be on the heavier side and has no time, and personal life is as busy as well, especially those with families.

[13177]

Then why not work on that mutual understanding the person's needs, rather than stereotyping?

 

Sometimes some people don't want to talk doesn’t mean they are anti-social. Their workload may be on the heavier side and has no time, and personal life is as busy as well, especially those with families.

Dont know why. Maybe like you said, some people like to sterotype?! In many cases, if you dont talk to them, they also dont talk to you, then they stereotype that you are anti-social, serious and loner?! In the end they simply just leave you alone and dont bother you at all, if the person thinks that he/she can survive in the office without ''gossiping'' with people.

[DACH]

Dont know why. Maybe like you said, some people like to sterotype?! In many cases, if you dont talk to them, they also dont talk to you, then they stereotype that you are anti-social, serious and loner?! In the end they simply just leave you alone and dont bother you at all, if the person thinks that he/she can survive in the office without ''gossiping'' with people.

Toxic people lo.

 

In any case, try not to engage in too much of these "gossiping" and avoid long tea breaks in groups.

Some bosses will "observe" although they don't say anything. His verdict on you may be on the performance appraisal.

[Jman888]

Dont know why. Maybe like you said, some people like to sterotype?! In many cases, if you dont talk to them, they also dont talk to you, then they stereotype that you are anti-social, serious and loner?! In the end they simply just leave you alone and dont bother you at all, if the person thinks that he/she can survive in the office without ''gossiping'' with people.

 

 

sounds like you like to gossip?   

[Victor68]

i think there is a general misconception. aws is not a mut unless stated in your letter of employment. 

 

whether company gives bonus, great pantry, cafeteria, etc the total costs are added up under their balance sheet. the only difference is, some have more budget than others. 

 

so, you need to try and work for those with higher budget but they also want people that can bring in the profit. it is still you that will decide what you are worth and of course luck. 

[13177]

sounds like you like to gossip?   

I dont like to gossip. 

Toxic people lo.

 

In any case, try not to engage in too much of these "gossiping" and avoid long tea breaks in groups.

Some bosses will "observe" although they don't say anything. His verdict on you may be on the performance appraisal.

Too bad toxic people are the ones who can survive long in an office, and well liked with people. Some people dont ''gossip'' during tea break de, they simply talk during working hours across their cubicle. Anyway, we should use the word communicate instead of gossiping. Lol. 

[Buadongdong]

Sometimes it's not the manager wants to do it but because of the silly bell curve thing. So the manager die die need to give someone low rating and if everyone is good then die die have to find someone to give low rating and give the reasons why.

 

Otherwise the manager will get a low rating since he cannot be a good assessor AND one staff will be randomly given the low rating and the reason is cos since manager cannot decide upper management decide for him. Anything blame the manager.

 

I have only heard once a high ranking staff tell management directly if you fail this guy I will tender my resignation immediately. And I have only done it once for my staff. Key word is ONCE. Some things you just cannot do twice.

also no need to give a "D" mah.. If die die 1 person have to get a low rating, can't the manager give a slightly lower rating than others?

Eg. Top staff gets 9/10, other avg 7-8/10. The lowest staff just needs to get 0.5 less than the rest to be the lowest but yet still have a considerable score/apprisal mah.. At least this is what my company/manger is doing la.. doing it tactfully.

[Tkseah]

also no need to give a "D" mah.. If die die 1 person have to get a low rating, can't the manager give a slightly lower rating than others?

Eg. Top staff gets 9/10, other avg 7-8/10. The lowest staff just needs to get 0.5 less than the rest to be the lowest but yet still have a considerable score/apprisal mah.. At least this is what my company/manger is doing la.. doing it tactfully.

For my company.. HR say must be bell curve.. Bottom 10% must be D n below..

[Buadongdong]

For my company.. HR say must be bell curve.. Bottom 10% must be D n below..

Wah seh.. Pardon my ignorance.. Didn't know this is a "Must".. Then staying clear of such companies might be better off if one is always targetted to be bottom.

[Tkseah]

Wah seh.. Pardon my ignorance.. Didn't know this is a "Must".. Then staying clear of such companies might be better off if one is always targetted to be bottom.

It's a problem for the manager if all team members are good performers.. But I also understand HR point cos in the past some managers tend to overrate all their staff for morale n bonus purposes.

[kdash]

For my company.. HR say must be bell curve.. Bottom 10% must be D n below..

 

same for my company... every year we have to choose someone to be ranked D... it's not a pleasant thing to do.

[13177]

It's a problem for the manager if all team members are good performers.. But I also understand HR point cos in the past some managers tend to overrate all their staff for morale n bonus purposes.

I think how manager rate their team members, many times is based on these two factors. If the manager likes the person, or the manager is those ''chin chye'' type, he/she would give all members good rating. If the manager is those high expectation, fussy and calculative type, even one minor mistake you have made, the manager would still give you average or low rating. Sometimes really depends on what type of manager you have. I know some manager can still give good rating or even promote the person even though the person never show outstanding performance or joined the company in a very short period. 

[Victor68]

Wah seh.. Pardon my ignorance.. Didn't know this is a "Must".. Then staying clear of such companies might be better off if one is always targetted to be bottom.

there are company with no curves but only selected few get recognized. thry rest acknowledged, mean get paid monthly hahaha

[Kusje]

i thought so too but @enye and @kusje seem to be doing well... haha...

Haha. Please do not mention me on the same sentence as boss @enye

 

I am only surviving.

[Adrianli]

My colleague told me his manager gave him a D for punctuality at work even thou he reports to work before start of official timing and leave work 1 to 2 hours after official timing. His manager say we are human and there is always something to improve on.

 

D in the appraisal is need improvement.

 

He very angry and kept complaining to me during lunch. Also he was given a C for his ethnics cos he was caught sending an email to a colleague with a starting of "Hi Bro". His manager say must be professional at work.

 

 

I think the managers here getting more and more uptight. I just kena two weeks ago. Asked to stop using my personal laptop and moved seat to beside my new manager. I not happy. So now I chut pattern and report to work exactly on time and off work on time. Every hour go toilet surf MCF on mobile phone.

 

My this colleague was released on 29th Dec after we came back from lunch. Reason given by his manager was he was not up to the job.

 

Feel sad for him. What a way to go and end the year.

[Scion]

My this colleague was released on 29th Dec after we came back from lunch. Reason given by his manager was he was not up to the job.

 

Feel sad for him. What a way to go and end the year.

 

immediate sacking? that's very harsh

[Adrianli]

immediate sacking? that's very harsh

Yup. Back from lunch 1pm. 1.30pm, manager inform him. 2pm, ad-hoc dept meeting to inform us. Also told us 2nd Jan got new guy joining to replace him. That means "they" had it all planned out Liao.

 

He has 1hr to pack up, handover his work and company's stuff like passes and laptop. By 3pm, he is gone.