Vw recalls 2.6 million cars worldwide due to technical prob

[Picanto]

wonder whether their service centres cope with this recall?

[Sabian]

Sounds like a joke. A high tech box cannot work wif syn but changing to low tech dino oil is the solution? Seriously?

 

Sounds like a grease monkey's band aid solution rather than one that came from a german factory. That means the problem is in the engineering n they r probably buying time b4 they completely redesign the 7spd.

Consolation is cheaper to maintain cos must use Dino oil.

[Camrytron]

Only 1500+ 7dsg???

I tot they sold alot of jetta and other model with 7dsg

[Jerichol]

Still one of people's favorite car brand to own and I am guilty of wanting one myself (the Passat) but the amount of complaints from owners that I read help keep my urge to commit on one in check. Oh not to forget .... thanks to the Singapore Government as I simply cannot bring myself to "rent" a car from them at SGD 7K to 9K a year!! So now have to really take good care of my trusty "old" Japanese car that still gets me from point A to B and back without any hassle for the last 5 years.

[Watwheels]

I feel that the engineers at vw did not do enough test on the 7sp dsg gb before replacing the 6sp for most models. One of the reasons why not all of their models are using the gti 6sp is cost. The cut-cost gb gives so much problems that they should be ashamed of themselves by putting their customers' life at risk.

[Baal]

 

err.. vw 1-2 notches below benz & beemers?.. r u sure??.... frankly, if i'm to choose a "problematic" car to live with,, i wil take alfa or peugeot than vw anyday ....

 

 

Erhh....i think ur right more than 1-2 notches..... Alfa I heard off, Peugeot also problematic car ? Erh, a friend who went to show room had the SE pitching to him that the car he was looking at, not sure 308 or wat not actually has a bmw engine. Not sure if thats one of the causes.

 

This thing bout using mineral oil to solve the prob, sounds pretty adhoc and not confidence inspiring.

 

Also for me since, I'm the strugging class, I will avoid DCT in general coz imo, they are inherently not designed for start stop traffic. Which will in turn have accl wear & tear even if it was not fundamentally flawed.

 

I will rather go 5 or 6 AT. IF CVT, it will only be for cars =< 1500cc.

[Kangadrool]

 

Erhh....i think ur right more than 1-2 notches..... Alfa I heard off, Peugeot also problematic car ? Erh, a friend who went to show room had the SE pitching to him that the car he was looking at, not sure 308 or wat not actually has a bmw engine. Not sure if thats one of the causes.

 

This thing bout using mineral oil to solve the prob, sounds pretty adhoc and not confidence inspiring.

 

Also for me since, I'm the strugging class, I will avoid DCT in general coz imo, they are inherently not designed for start stop traffic. Which will in turn have accl wear & tear even if it was not fundamentally flawed.

 

I will rather go 5 or 6 AT. IF CVT, it will only be for cars =< 1500cc.

The 1.6 Turbo charged PRINCE engine is shared by Peugeot, MINI and BMW.

 

CVT is as bad as DCT in stop-start traffic.

[Baal]

The 1.6 Turbo charged PRINCE engine is shared by Peugeot, MINI and BMW.

 

CVT is as bad as DCT in stop-start traffic.

 

 

 

Noted , thanks.

 

CVT as bad as DCT in SS traffic? How come. I test drive the Jazz 1.3 gen 1 & tot it was torquey and smooth.

 

The other thing I thought was that since Jpn also has lotsa ss traf, and many JDMs have CVT, i assumed that it was suitable.

[Kangadrool]

 

 

 

Noted , thanks.

 

CVT as bad as DCT in SS traffic? How come. I test drive the Jazz 1.3 gen 1 & tot it was torquey and smooth.

 

The other thing I thought was that since Jpn also has lotsa ss traf, and many JDMs have CVT, i assumed that it was suitable.

I am referring to reliability and durability of CVT GB in our traffic. The latest Jazz was brought in on traditional 5AT as Honda explained that CVT is not suitable for Singapore iirc.

 

The reason why CVT is commonly used in JDM cars though Tokyo city is also congested. The difference is, their traffic situation (though congested) does not always come to a full halt and there's not a lot of creeping and crawling driving (as in Singapore). Their speed may be slow, but not so slow until it drop too low. The traffic situation in Singapore kills CVT transmission in no time as too much heat is generated in creeping.

 

The Japanese drive off from traffic light quite "speedily" and uniformly unlike here where skills and concentration levels of different drivers are far apart. That's the diff.

Edited November 16, 2013 by Kangadrool

[Baal]

I am referring to reliability and durability of CVT GB in our traffic. The latest Jazz was brought in on traditional 5AT as Honda explained that CVT is not suitable for Singapore iirc.

That means the 7-8 k savings of FIt over a Jazz made progressively be refunded eventually to varying degrees. Honda actually said that ah! Like that concluded liao.

 

On HIndsight, as I posted in another thread, I had a friend who changed from Vios to Fit Gen 2.

 

He said comparing his Fit 1.3 to Vios 1.5, Former felt more torquey but latter felt revvier.

 

He didnt mentioned problems on his own car, but is an avid member at Fit Jazz forums. Some months later, he actually told me if I really want to get, get the Jazz with 5AT, though he didnt explain why.

 

But my mech did tell me that from MT to AT, durability 1 notch down. From AT to CVT, another notch down. Maybe if light footed & mostly keep to =< 3000rpm will be ok? Plus dont increase rim size. At most change steel rim to alloy rim. My Mech told me on Fit, +1 sizing is stretching liao. Beyond that is suicide. He had a Fit whom used 17 inches......60k mileage, ......total rebuilt. ...

[Pisces69]

Reckon it's chemical attacking the parts and causing premature wear and tear.

 

Maybe the synthetic ATF is TOO SMOOTH for it to work properly?

[Viceroymenthol]

 

just checked with the VW SA, they can change the ATF for you. cost about 1-200 bucks. can consider if this change can solve the problem of the maintenance free GB issues....

however it is not in their service program to change the ATF.

 

just replied that they will change the ATF when u have problems with the GB (seems like a fix, rather than a preventive measure).

Actually those specialist workshop technicians who serviced my merc and bimmers last time told me that for ATF, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The ATF is scheduled to run a couple of hundred thousand KMs before the transmission needs an overhaul. If itchy backside go and open transmission at only 60,000 km and change ATF when nothing is wrong, it could really become something wrong. Something to do with the rubber seals and gaskets.

[Throttle2]

Actually those specialist workshop technicians who serviced my merc and bimmers last time told me that for ATF, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The ATF is scheduled to run a couple of hundred thousand KMs before the transmission needs an overhaul. If itchy backside go and open transmission at only 60,000 km and change ATF when nothing is wrong, it could really become something wrong. Something to do with the rubber seals and gaskets.

Basically true.

ATF is meant to last at least 100,000km

When replaving ATF best to change gaskets and seals too.

[Kangadrool]

Thought it's basically a 3-hole affair unless the Germans made it so complicated? One hole = drain ATF at the bottom, second hole = fill hole, third hole = overflow hole to drain excess ATF. Third hole is the most overlooked hole by mechs.

Edited November 17, 2013 by Kangadrool

[ER-3682]

I find it strange,after a few millions of DSG gearbox,millions of people make noise,then they said,the gearbox cannot use Syn oil.?.Are German so lousy.?

Blame the oil,why not use ZF standard Autobox like BMW & Mercedes Benz..sure no more problem.

[Paddie]

Thought it's basically a 3-hole affair unless the Germans made it so complicated? One hole = drain ATF at the bottom, second hole = fill hole, third hole = overflow hole to drain excess ATF. Third hole is the most overlooked hole by mechs.

 

Curious about this third hole. If the gearbox is filled up to the level of the fill hole, then the level should be correct already right?

[Kangadrool]

 

Curious about this third hole. If the gearbox is filled up to the level of the fill hole, then the level should be correct already right?

for draining excess ATF filled. Filling up to the brim of the fill hole = overfilled liao. Some simple Jap GB may not have 3rd hole. So check dipstick and suck out excess.

[Baal]

ATF to change at at 100k? I assume its those high end fully syn stuff?

My according to manual is 40k. The regular pink type.

 

At 20 k I check = pink with tinge of yellow. I intend to change at 30k.

 

If CVT change CVTF at 20k instead of the manual's 40k, will it be helpful.? (i kinda JDM phille...)

 

Back to the DSG, having a "need" to use mineral oil to make it suitable is defn not confidence inspiring. The Min oil may not cost much, but the labour to open/close a DSG system?

 

Oh, I had a friend whom after passing at Ubi driving ctr, bought a 1.4 tsi a couple mths later. He commented that the "training car" which was a 4AT Vios, felt smoother..... But he added that when driving on highway.....with less gear changing, the handing of the Golf was defn better.