Ahgong Supercharged February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 the bottom line is this...EVERYBODY needs an engineer to get the job done. but no one is willing to up the renumeration for them to attract more people to do it. WHY? cos engineering is a cost center. most of them do not generate revenue. so, not important compared to revenue centers like banking or Sales. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shull Turbocharged February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 Lack of engineers in the mid-management sector is good for those who manage to tahan the 1st 10 years or so. Your skills and experience will be more in demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chowyunfatt Turbocharged February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 Lack of engineers in the mid-management sector is good for those who manage to tahan the 1st 10 years or so. Your skills and experience will be more in demand. Adrianli, on 10 Feb 2014 - 11:41 AM, said: Thatz me in bold now. Coming to 10yrs in ang mo company, still pretty much doing the same thing I started out 10yrs ago. Not I say one hor … but here is one life example … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shull Turbocharged February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 Adrianli, on 10 Feb 2014 - 11:41 AM, said: Not I say one hor … but here is one life example … I am not sure of the exact circumstances of Adrianli, but i've worked with quite abit of Singaporeans and Malaysians who are doing very well in middle/top management after starting out in engineering career. So IMO, it's not a difficult thing to achieve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_prince Supersonic February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 I am not sure of the exact circumstances of Adrianli, but i've worked with quite abit of Singaporeans and Malaysians who are doing very well in middle/top management after starting out in engineering career. So IMO, it's not a difficult thing to achieve. actually it is. just to hit manager in a manufacturing enviroment probably needs at least 10 yrs exp. even that is optimistically. i know many good engineers still stuck at SE level simply because those on top no move, those below can't move up. and the spots are limited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_worries 6th Gear February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 Engineering is really "pai tan" job! E.g. if the building you supervise collapse, you are professionally liable. All for less than 1% of the construction costs and working for months during construction. And all the while being under-priced as there are millions of engineers from China, Myanmar etc after his job. On the other hand, property agent makes 1% of the selling price in perhaps a few days. And Bankers? They don't even get slapped on their wrists when they collude in interest rate setting or selling toxic products. In fact they don't even need to know what they are selling! Who would want to be engineers here in Singapore? Compared to other professional such as doctors and lawyers, the professional engineer could be easily sued by BCA if he endorsed on a building project and it collapsed. Have we ever heard of a doctor who was sued for mis-diagnosis ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_prince Supersonic February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 Compared to other professional such as doctors and lawyers, the professional engineer could be easily sued by BCA if he endorsed on a building project and it collapsed. Have we ever heard of a doctor who was sued for mis-diagnosis ? why not. don't be an ignoramus lah. it's the same liability as any other professionals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjkbeluga 5th Gear February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 行行出狀元.... Most important must have passion in it. But I wonder, since every guys are humsup, how come so few ducks in the market.... muahahaha.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLZT 6th Gear February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 (edited) why not. don't be an ignoramus lah. it's the same liability as any other professionals. It is very difficult to prove misdiagnosis in Singapore. You need to get another medical of "equal status" to come up and say that doctor is question misdiagnose/perform an error. Therefore, most legal advisor would advise one not to take legal action. Edited February 10, 2014 by GLZT 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 Compared to other professional such as doctors and lawyers, the professional engineer could be easily sued by BCA if he endorsed on a building project and it collapsed. Have we ever heard of a doctor who was sued for mis-diagnosis ? ... Don't let the people know what a frog in a well you are. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanly 5th Gear February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 There's a famous engineer among our political leaders... She's none other than Ms Er Dr Lee Bee Wah Dun play play... she got Doctorate in Engineering... i didn't even though there's a specific title "Er" for engineer one.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosaria Turbocharged February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 (edited) If you see salaries offered in job ads, for engineering positions, managerial or supervisory level, only pay 5k to 6k per month at most... that is for like 7 or 8 years experience... Can you imagine managerial responsibilities - i.e. managing a team of people, not just technical but admin issues, and answering for the team's performance, for such a relatively low pay?? I think even teaching profession pays more with the number of years' experience, with promotions factored in. Not to mention, it's not really 24/7 on-call (though some may argue otherwise) and no life-and-death, safety issues involved. Edited February 10, 2014 by Sosaria 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_prince Supersonic February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 If you see salaries offered in job ads, for engineering positions, managerial or supervisory level, only pay 5k to 6k per month at most... that is for like 7 or 8 years experience... Can you imagine managerial responsibilities - i.e. managing a team of people, not just technical but admin issues, and answering for the team's performance, for such a relatively low pay?? I think even teaching profession pays more with the number of years' experience, with promotions factored in. Not to mention, it's not really 24/7 on-call (though some may argue otherwise) and no life-and-death, safety issues involved. not true lah. most mnc entry level managers already abt 6k. my ex boss about 15k senior manager There's a famous engineer among our political leaders... She's none other than Ms Er Dr Lee Bee Wah Dun play play... she got Doctorate in Engineering... i didn't even though there's a specific title "Er" for engineer one.. ho ching also engineer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiadaw 6th Gear February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 If you see salaries offered in job ads, for engineering positions, managerial or supervisory level, only pay 5k to 6k per month at most... that is for like 7 or 8 years experience... Can you imagine managerial responsibilities - i.e. managing a team of people, not just technical but admin issues, and answering for the team's performance, for such a relatively low pay?? I think even teaching profession pays more with the number of years' experience, with promotions factored in. Not to mention, it's not really 24/7 on-call (though some may argue otherwise) and no life-and-death, safety issues involved. 7, 8 years of management experience or working. If the latter, I think very good already. People here have very high salary expectation it seems. Teaching is more of an exception here, as many people do not want this profession, so government keep throwing moeny & bonus at them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangadrool Supersonic February 10, 2014 Share February 10, 2014 (edited) What to do? Things are so expensive and super inflated here. Even for cooked food, we used to pride ourselves as affordable, but it is changing now. It is moving towards first world price while most of the population are still earning sesame seed. Edited February 10, 2014 by Kangadrool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear February 11, 2014 Author Share February 11, 2014 The local civil engineering consultancy services industry is plagued by low fees as it is very competitive here. Clients will not normally consider your design if your rivals can provide "cheap & good" rates no matter how sound it is. There are often folks out there willing to take a big obscene cut in order to secure the job. Thus one must be really passionate to practice engineering, especially in the civil line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chowyunfatt Turbocharged February 11, 2014 Share February 11, 2014 actually it is. just to hit manager in a manufacturing enviroment probably needs at least 10 yrs exp. even that is optimistically. i know many good engineers still stuck at SE level simply because those on top no move, those below can't move up. and the spots are limited. Manufacturing got a lot of unsung heroes … A lot of them really don't deserve the plight I see them in right now … Engineering was an "Iron Rice Bowl" in the 70s & 80s … But not anymore … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangadrool Supersonic February 11, 2014 Share February 11, 2014 There are many driving taxis, selling property and insurance now. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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