Hydrocarbon Turbocharged February 25, 2014 Share February 25, 2014 TL;DR: NSF(s) witnessed alleged dog abuse by warrant officer and / or LTC, films portion of abuse, hands video over to Animal Lovers League, who then uploads video online. SAF investigates, gets source from Animal Lovers League video uploader, allegedly promises no punishment for the video taker, charges NSF for taking video in green zone. Regulars not charged as SAF considers abuse not to have happened. TL;SR: (Too Long;Still bother to read) SINGAPORE — The authorities are investigating an alleged case of animal abuse at a Pasir Ris Camp, after a video posted by animal welfare group Animal Lovers League went viral on the Internet. In the video that was posted on the group’s Facebook wall on Tuesday, a black dog was seen tied to the door frame of a shower cubicle. The animal welfare group said in the post that they were alerted to cases of “inhumane treatment” of some dogs at the Pasir Ris Army Camp. The Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) yesterday said on the Singapore Army Facebook page that preliminary investigations revealed the stray dogs around Pasir Ris Camp have been biting members of the public and servicemen. “The dog in the video was caught and handed over to the Agri-Food and Veterinary Authority of Singapore (AVA). The AVA has examined the dog and verified that there were no signs of abuse,” said MINDEF. It added: “Our Army does not condone abuse to animals and disciplinary action will be taken against any servicemen found to have abused animals.” Contacted last night, Ms Cathy Strong, the founder and President of Animal Lovers League, said she hoped MINDEF would investigate further and find out what had happened before the dogs were found. According to its Facebook post, a witness had apparently told the group the dog could be lifted from the ground when the other end of the rope was pulled — similar to a pulley system. The post also alleged that an army personnel had purportedly beaten five dogs in that camp with a truncheon — similar to a baton — on several occasions. The Animal Lovers League had said in a separate Facebook post yesterday that “necessary steps” have been taken, with three of the dogs rescued and the fourth in the process of being rescued. Separately, an AVA spokesperson confirmed yesterday that a dog was collected from the Pasir Ris Camp on Monday. The dog was examined and found to be in good condition with no injuries, said the spokesperson, who added that it is currently housed in the AVA’s pound. “As the dog is micro-chipped, we are in the process of tracing its owner,” said the spokesperson. The case comes after Law and Foreign Minister K Shanmugam told a conference on Tuesday that stiffer fines and longer jail terms will be dished out to animal abusers. A Bill will be tabled in Parliament this year to increase the penalties for animal abuse, with the current fine of S$10,000 for repeat offenders to be raised to S$50,000, in line with recommendations made by the Animal Welfare Legislative Review Committee last year, which was accepted by the Ministry of National Development. Sauce: http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/authorities-investigating-alleged-animal-abuse-pasir-ris-camp#inside The video of a dog being suspended by a rope was taken by my son. He is one of the National Service Fulltime (NSF) stationed at Pasir Ris Camp. This unruly behaviour started a while back with the warrant officer throwing a truncheon at the dogs to chase them away. The stated reason was that the dogs had bitten one of the admin staff. My son had asked me to report this case to Mindef. As parents and avid animal lovers we made the call to Mindef. However, things got out of hand this time when the lieutenant colonel personally brutally hit an innocent dog in the presence of the NS men, as a demonstration of “how it is done” in order to ensure that the strays would not dare to approach the army camp in future. This was witnessed by my son and eight other NSFs who were threatened to be charged if they did not keep their silence. In addition to this inhumane act, a dog was hung with ropes in the toilet in the context of retaining the dog for collection by AVA. My son quickly brought the case up to Cathy, one of the founding members of Animal Lovers League, who immediately drove down to collect the dog. The lieutenant colonel was very upset when he saw Cathy taking the dog away. He wanted her to hand it over to AVA’s officer who arrived to collect it. When Cathy asked why he wanted to see it put to sleep when she was willing to take care of it until she could find it a good home, he shouted at her to hand the dog over to AVA’s officer or he would call the police. At this, Cathy told him to go ahead and she would call the media. (Long post so I cut it, read full post at source) Sauce for photo and second quote: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202579205575576&set=a.10200303362400919.1073741825.1059662158&type=1 Thoughts? Personally I love dogs, though my family don't, so I can't keep them in the house. I'm angry at those who do abuse dogs, cats, or other animals. (Eating them is ok for me, I guess). The FB post is by the father of the NSF who tio SOL for doing the right thing (morally, if not by protocol). Can understand the father's annoyance (to put it mildly) when his son is punished and the regulars got away scot-free from their actions. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic February 25, 2014 Share February 25, 2014 From the title, I really thot got jokers go do the poor doggy in camp Wanna Tekan better Tekan in non camera zone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porker Turbocharged February 25, 2014 Share February 25, 2014 Hope the truth can be revealed. Those who abuse animals should be punished really hard regardless of their ranks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadX Moderator February 25, 2014 Share February 25, 2014 Read that that camp is green zone? can bring cameras in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrocarbon Turbocharged February 25, 2014 Author Share February 25, 2014 Read that that camp is green zone? can bring cameras in Recent ICT was told even green zone cannot film. Red Zone no cam no filming at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSP415 Supersonic February 25, 2014 Share February 25, 2014 Is there no other way for the abuses to be reported without breaking the no filming rule? Safe ride Cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenfarm Turbocharged February 25, 2014 Share February 25, 2014 Is there no other way for the abuses to be reported without breaking the no filming rule? Safe ride Cheers Eye witness account will do. But it is a double edged sword because you need to testify in person Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamburger Hypersonic February 26, 2014 Share February 26, 2014 i clap for SAF for their work of brilliance. but i salute the whistle blower for his gut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic February 26, 2014 Share February 26, 2014 Is the video taken of SAF equipment or sensitive document in nature? If not, what is the NSF charge for? Taking a video of a dog in the camp compound? Isn't it clearly an abuse of power to silence the NSF? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenfarm Turbocharged February 26, 2014 Share February 26, 2014 Is the video taken of SAF equipment or sensitive document in nature? If not, what is the NSF charge for? Taking a video of a dog in the camp compound? Isn't it clearly an abuse of power to silence the NSF? Unfortunately, this is the kind of sick culture we have here. If I can't fix you in this respect, I'll fix you in other respect. First world! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcf777 Turbocharged February 26, 2014 Share February 26, 2014 I saw the video. Nothing wrong to consider abuse. The dog is not hanging in the air. Saw a cyclist tied the dog leash to her waist. She cycled and the dog have to run together. This is worst than the current case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic February 26, 2014 Share February 26, 2014 Unfortunately, this is the kind of sick culture we have here. If I can't fix you in this respect, I'll fix you in other respect. First world! If the dogs are aggressive in nature as claimed, get the spca or ava to deal with the dogs. Why take things into their own and abuse the dog? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSP415 Supersonic February 26, 2014 Share February 26, 2014 Eye witness account will do. But it is a double edged sword because you need to testify in person Thanks for sharing. True but if one uses the sword well, the abuser would be punished and the abuses stopped. I think it's not about whether the film/video showed anything sensitive or classified but rather it should not have been taken in the first instance. I guess they want the message to be clear rather than take the risk of someone using personal judgement to determine what is or what is not sensitive. It's a safeguard per se. Safe ride Cheers If the dogs are aggressive in nature as claimed, get the spca or ava to deal with the dogs. Why take things into their own and abuse the dog? Agreed. Provided the abuses are genuinely that and not a proven approved method of teaching or training the dogs. Safe ride Cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLZT 6th Gear February 26, 2014 Share February 26, 2014 Looks like someone is stirring something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beregond Supersonic February 26, 2014 Share February 26, 2014 i was in the army before, and i love dog and small animals ALOT. but rules is rules, u break it, u get punish for it . the reason u break it is another story/matter, whether is animals or little gals being abuse. i remember when i was still a recuit way back in yishun, u want to complain about something, u go to your section leader, then pl, if cannot then ps, pc. rules are make to be follow esp in the army. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deckbuild 6th Gear February 26, 2014 Share February 26, 2014 Both side have their story.... Last time in my camp, there were tonnes of stray dogs running around and they are quite fierce, worst part is when they come in a pack, they start chasing and barking at the prowlers during their guard duty, always have to use stunt baton to scare them off. Though I'm a animal lover, been through those experience, I will throw baton at those dogs as well. Don't under estimate what a pack of dogs can do when they turn aggressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurty Supercharged February 26, 2014 Share February 26, 2014 i was in the army before, and i love dog and small animals ALOT. but rules is rules, u break it, u get punish for it . the reason u break it is another story/matter, whether is animals or little gals being abuse. i remember when i was still a recuit way back in yishun, u want to complain about something, u go to your section leader, then pl, if cannot then ps, pc. rules are make to be follow esp in the army. yeah, in this case. both warrant and NSF are in wrong. punish them both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vega Turbocharged February 26, 2014 Share February 26, 2014 Anyone has the video or the link? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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