Military talk thread

[Macrosszero]

We did do some of our training in Starlight so they were involved, but perhaps they are merely overstating the role that they had. Neither authoritative publications like Tim Huxley's Defending the Lion City nor anecdotal first-hand experiences by the first national servicemen corroborate that heavy Taiwanese influence that you mention is implied in the TV program.

 

Its not the first time though, remember we were called "pee-sai"?

[Jamesc]

Its certainly true that Taiwan XMM did train some of our young boys

 

in hand to hand combat, jungle warfare, full frontal assault techniques,

 

flanking maneuvers. Some even taught our boys self protection using

 

body armour and how to combat germ and biological warfare.

 

Credit should be given where it is due but I cannot give any more

 

details as the information is classified in the interest of national security.

 

 

 

[Vega]

Harrier pilot sticks a no-nosegear landing.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRtlM6IoH-Y

Harrier landed on container ship.

 

 

and makeshift mattresses.

[Ake109]

A Turk RF-4E:

 

 

 

Unfathomable that an old warbird of Vietnam era still flies under the flags of some states even if they are upgraded zillionth times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some Korean era warbirds are still flying. Even the PLAAF until a few years ago, still had large stocks of pre-Vietnam warbirds in active service.

 

Heck, even the USAF still uses B-52s and they may outlast the teen generation fighters in active service.

Edited February 26, 2015 by Ake109

[Xefera]

The "lao peng" among us may remember that there was a blind explosion in Pasir Laba Live Firing Area back in 1997, and how it happened.

 

And the then CDF declared 3 days Army wide no exercise.

 

was in the middle of topo ex in temburong when it happen.

happily go back camp followed by 3 days of rifle cleaning and canteen break :)

[Xefera]

I have driven the exact same truck on display and much more. one of my faves..

fiat is rubbish.....Mercedes is the best one yet, driven the new man 5 ton during reservist, comes close, but don't like the cab over engine, prefer the engine in front and the driver behind for better weight and not floatness during cross country moving. but I usually drive a lowbed into the ex area for ferrying tanks and bridges...

 

this is my ferry service from the jetty to camp III back in the old days.

still remember they retrofitted a ladder for easy getting on and off

[Vega]

These are interesting videos on how the Taiwanese claimed to build our SAF.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0TSNy3Yk50

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YsFsVS5iag

We did do some of our training in Starlight so they were involved, but perhaps they are merely overstating the role that they had. Neither authoritative publications like Tim Huxley's Defending the Lion City nor anecdotal first-hand experiences by the first national servicemen corroborate that heavy Taiwanese influence that you mention is implied in the TV program.

 

Its not the first time though, remember we were called "pee-sai"?

 

 

 

[Vulcann]

China's stealth fighter makes brief appearance in air force film

 

China's prototype stealth fighter, the J-20, has made a rare appearance on screen after a brief shot of it was included in a new Chinese air force recruitment video.

 

An aircraft that is reported to be Chinese stealth fighter J-20 is seen in Chengdu, Sichuan province, in this picture taken January 7, 2011, and released by Kyodo news agency January 8, 2011. REUTERS/Kyodo

BEIJING: China's prototype stealth fighter, the J-20, has made a rare appearance on screen after a brief shot of it was included in a new Chinese air force recruitment video.

 

The J-20 had its first test flight in early 2011 - at the same time then-U.S. defence chief Robert Gates was visiting China - but since then few images of it have surfaced.

 

In the air force video, entitled "Heroes' Sky" and released on Thursday on Chinese video-sharing websites, the aircraft can been seen very briefly taking off, interspersed between other images of older fighters amid stirringly patriotic slogans.

 

"The new fighter jets call for new-generation ... flying stars," air force spokesman Shen Jinke told the official Xinhua news agency in a report carried on Friday.

 

"The film shows the air force's role in safeguarding state security and maintaining military strategies, and as a responsible great power, China needs to build an air force to maintain regional stability and world peace," Shen added.

 

The six-minute film is split into three parts, called "The sky needs you", "The future belongs to you", and "The nation calls on you".

 

It also shows female pilots and another new type of aircraft, the Y-20 military transport aircraft.

 

While China is still only in the early stages of testing stealth technology and any deployment is likely years away, it could eventually help narrow the military gap with the United States.

 

However, the latest pictures may heighten concern about China's military build-up as it presses its claims to most of the South China Sea, including the deployment of its first aircraft carrier and new anti-ship and anti-satellite ballistic missiles.

 

Some analysts have said that the J-20 photos suggest that China may be making faster-than-expected progress in developing a rival to Lockheed Martin's F-22 Raptor, the world's only operational stealth fighter designed to evade detection by radar.

 

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard; Editing by Nick Macfie)

- Reuters

 

(Source: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/china-s-stealth-fighter-m/1684208.html )

[Vulcann]

Not sure if this is the video they are talking about:

 

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTI4NDYwMDY4.html

 

That aside, seemed not too long ago the commies were still flying this:

 

 

& the western ang mos were still making fun of them.

[Vega]

J5 was very cheap. about 600K RMB a pcs.

China was very interested in getting the Harrier back in the 80s but it was too expensive for them.

15M pound a pcs......vs 600k rmb....

 

Not sure if this is the video they are talking about:

 

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTI4NDYwMDY4.html

 

That aside, seemed not too long ago the commies were still flying this:

 

 

& the western ang mos were still making fun of them.

 

[Vega]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrgLFcIMYDk

 

Iranian Missiles Sink Life-Size Model of U.S. Aircraft Carrier in Strait of Hormuz Navy Drill.

 

 

[Vulcann]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrgLFcIMYDk

 

Iranian Missiles Sink Life-Size Model of U.S. Aircraft Carrier in Strait of Hormuz Navy Drill.

 

 

 

machiam like that:

 

[Vulcann]

On a separate note, the Americans really lui pa pa can do this :

• Allen McDuffee Security
• 09.27.13
• 12:52 pm

Aging F-16 Converted Into a Target-Practice Drone

 

A QF-16 Full Scale Aerial Target from the 82nd Aerial Targets Squadron flies over the Gulf of Mexico during its first unmanned flight at Tyndall Air

Force Base, Fla., Sept. 19. The 82nd ATRS operates the Department of Defense’s only full-scale aerial target program. The QF-16 will provide

fourth generation fighter representation of real world threats for testing and training, say operators. (U.S. Air Force photo/Master Sgt. J. Scott Wilcox)

 

After nearly 40 years as the cornerstone of the U.S. Air Force’s fighter fleet, the F-16 tried out a a new role last week: robotic flying bull’s-eye.

 

A modified F-16 took flight from Tindall Air Force Base in Florida without a pilot so it could be blown to smithereens. The Boeing retrofit of retired Lockheed Martin F-16s will be used as target practice for training situations under the name QF-16.

 

“The QF-16 full-scale aerial targets will be used to test newly developed weapons and train pilots for the rapidly changing nature of warfare in a safe and controlled environment,” said Boeing in a statement.

 

“It was a little different to see an F-16 take off without anyone in it, but it was a great flight all the way around,” said Lt. Col. Ryan Inman, Commander, 82nd Aerial Targets Squadron. “It’s a replication of current, real world situations and aircraft platforms they can shoot as a target. Now we have a mission capable, highly sustainable full scale aerial target to take us into the future.”

 

During last week’s test, a pair of QF-16s aced taking off and landing on its own, as well as performing a series of simulated maneuvers. It also flew at 40,000 feet and broke the sound barrier at Mach 1.47.

 

Under an initial contract of $70 million, Boeing has modified six F-16s into the QF-16 configuration with low-rate initial production scheduled to begin in the fourth quarter and first production deliveries in 2015.

 

However, some are concerned about the potential for the Air Force to move the QF-16 from a training and testing vehicle to their use in warfare.

 

“I’m very concerned these could be used to target people on the ground,” Noel Sharkey from the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots told the BBC. “I’m particularly worried about the high speed at which they can travel because they might not be able to distinguish their targets very clearly.”

 

But converting retired aircraft for the purpose of training and weapon testing is a move the Air Force has had success with in the past when they converted Vietnam-era F-4 Phantom fighters to pilotless aircraft for target practice. The inventory of those QF-4s are expected to be depleted by the end of 2015, hence the need for the QF-16s.

 

“Talk about cradle-to-grave value out of an airplane, in terms of taxpayers’ dollars, I mean right up to the very end, this airplane is providing payback,” said Air Force Lt. Colonel Ron Miller at the time.

 

The exact costs of the F-16 are unclear, but some versions of it are estimated at approximately $30 million. So using them for target practice makes more economic sense than shipping them to the Boneyard at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Arizona, home to billions of dollars worth of rotting aircraft.

 

(Source: http://www.wired.com/2013/09/f16-drone/ )

[Lala81]

I just watched a taiwanese program and they claimed that our air force and navy were built up by them. Even our very first air force and navy chiefs were taiwanese.

All along I thot the Israelis trained us up.

 

Anyone can confirm this?

 

Hmm i only know Israelites trained up the army.

My uncle was trained by them and he was an Army captain at a very young age.

[Duckduck]

after so many yrs nobody has built this yet???

 

[Vega]

Built already but only the head can move.....

I was expecting it to walk 2 rounds among the crowd during the nightly show.

 

 

 

 

after so many yrs nobody has built this yet???

 

 

 

Hmm i only know Israelites trained up the army.

My uncle was trained by them and he was an Army captain at a very young age.

maybe the Israelis trained our army while our navy and air forces were trained by the Taiwanese.

 

machiam like that:

 

 

The US did sink its own carrier before to test how long it took and how much ammo they need to do the job.

It took them 25 days of shooting and bombing before it sank into the bottom.

 

The Iranian military must be taking it too lightly.

[Macrosszero]

Iranian Missiles Sink Life-Size Model of U.S. Aircraft Carrier in Strait of Hormuz Navy Drill.

 

 

 

It does provide some experience for the Iranians despite the obvious fact that their target is neither firing back, launching CAP aircraft nor has a phalanx of Aegis destroyers escorting it. They can get an idea of radar returns from an aircraft carrier-sized target, as well as develop their coordination to deal with it from the air, land, sea or underwater. That, and the propaganda value that they are practising sinking aircraft carriers......

[Lala81]

I'm pretty sure Israelites should be the ones who also trained our air

force.

Their air force did well in those wars.