This is post #23 and still no one has posted any of the information suggested by TS.
If newbies do their homework by reading thread and posts from way back to 2013/2014, they will have a general sense of how these forums works and the personalities that dominate them.
Attempts to solicit hard data will be rebuffed, circumvented or even worse, tampered data will be presented. Ask the guy who start a poll for how much the forumers here will pay for a car.
Back in 2013, the bulls and the bears have field days where they argue it out. However, history has mostly gone against the bulls, and their credibility has seriously been dented. Have they thought about the way they are managing the mass comm is self-damaging?
These posts will end up been dominate by small cliques of similar voices, and lose relevancy.
The bulls don't want people to think, just join the herd and stampede into the car showrooms. (Terrible pun intended)
This means that data and thinking must be stopped.
I don't bother to go to the showroom anymore so I cannot help. Ask again in 2016.