The most "asking to be whacked" Driver ever....

[Vratenza]

 

https://www.facebook.com/BehChiaLor/videos/1672007639721990/

[Aventador]

The guy is kuai lan, but he is correct

 

exchanging particulars is out of courtesy

 

can just make insurance report with car plate

 

I got involved with a minor chain accident, didnt need to talk to anyone, just take photo of all the car plate,

report insurance

 

later on insurance settle with all the cars involved

 

accident with bodily injury is different, need to wait for police

[Enye]

if no need to exchange particulars, anybody can drive without a valid driving licence

 

[Vratenza]

The guy is kuai lan, but he is correct

 

exchanging particulars is out of courtesy

 

can just make insurance report with car plate

 

I got involved with a minor chain accident, didnt need to talk to anyone, just take photo of all the car plate,

report insurance

 

later on insurance settle with all the cars involved

 

accident with bodily injury is different, need to wait for police

 

I am not sure of the law here. But my logic says that in any accident, other than the car plate, we have to take down the driver's license and ID.

 

Why?

 

The offending driver might not have valid driving license (banned? suspended?), he may not be covered by the insurance, he may not be the designated named or unnamed driver. There are many reasons why another driver do not want to leave his ID. Any how, without the driver ID, the other car's insurance will not be able to verify who was the driver of the insured car during the accident.

 

If I have nothing to hide, I have no reason not to show my driving license.

[Vratenza]

if no need to exchange particulars, anybody can drive without a valid driving licence

 

 

Next time when we have full automatic self driving cars, maybe we can just take license plate enough liao!

[Carnoob]

Duty to stop in case of accident

84.

—(1)  Where an accident occurs owing to the presence of a motor vehicle on a road and the accident results in damage or injury to any person, vehicle, structure or animal, the driver of the motor vehicle must stop the motor vehicle and the driver must do such of the following as may be applicable:

(a)

the driver if requested to do so by any person at the scene of the accident having reasonable grounds for so requesting the driver’s particulars, provide the driver’s particulars to that person;

(b)

if no person referred to in paragraph (a) is present at the scene of the accident, the driver must take reasonable steps to inform the owner (if any) of the damaged vehicle or structure, or injured animal, of the damage or injury caused to the vehicle, structure or animal (as the case may be), and provide that owner with the driver’s particulars.

[Act 28 of 2014 wef 01/02/2015]

2)  The driver of the motor vehicle referred to in subsection (1) must report the accident at a police station or to a police officer as soon as reasonably practicable within 24 hours after the accident unless either of the following has occurred:

(a)

the driver has provided the driver’s particulars to a person referred to in subsection (1)(a);

(b)

the owner referred to in subsection (1)(b) has contacted the driver.

[Act 28 of 2014 wef 01/02/2015]

3)  If in any case owing to the presence of a motor vehicle on a road an accident occurs whereby any person is killed or any damage or injury is caused to any person, vehicle, structure or animal, the driver of the motor vehicle shall render such assistance as may be reasonably required by any police officer or in the absence of any police officer such assistance as it may reasonably be in the power of the driver to render.

[11/96]

4)  When owing to the presence of a motor vehicle on a road an accident occurs in consequence of which any person is killed or seriously injured or serious damage is caused to any vehicle or structure, no person shall, except under the authority of a police officer, move or otherwise interfere with any vehicle involved in the accident or any part of such vehicle or do any other act so as to destroy or alter any evidence of the accident except that —

(a)

a vehicle or any part thereof may be moved so far as may be necessary to extricate persons or animals involved, remove mails, prevent fire or prevent damage or obstruction to the public; and

(b)

goods or passengers baggage may be removed from a vehicle under the supervision of a police officer.

(5)  Subsection (4) shall not apply where it is urgently necessary to remove any seriously injured person to hospital and no suitable means of conveyance other than a vehicle involved in the accident is at hand.

6)  In this section —

“animal” means any horse, cattle, ass, mule, sheep, pig, goat or dog;

“particulars”, in relation to a driver of a motor vehicle, means the name and address of the driver of the motor vehicle, the name and address of the owner of the motor vehicle, and the identification marks of the motor vehicle.

[Act 28 of 2014 wef 01/02/2015]

7)  If any person fails to comply with any of the provisions of this section, he shall be guilty of an offence.

8)  Any person who is guilty of an offence under subsection (7) arising from his failure to comply with subsection (3) shall, if he had in driving or attempting to drive a motor vehicle at the time of the accident referred to in that subsection caused any serious injury or death to another person, be liable on conviction —

(a)

to a fine not exceeding $3,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months; and

(b)

in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years.

 

[Vratenza]

 

Duty to stop in case of accident

84.

—(1)  Where an accident occurs owing to the presence of a motor vehicle on a road and the accident results in damage or injury to any person, vehicle, structure or animal, the driver of the motor vehicle must stop the motor vehicle and the driver must do such of the following as may be applicable:

(a)

the driver if requested to do so by any person at the scene of the accident having reasonable grounds for so requesting the driver’s particulars, provide the driver’s particulars to that person;

(b)

if no person referred to in paragraph (a) is present at the scene of the accident, the driver must take reasonable steps to inform the owner (if any) of the damaged vehicle or structure, or injured animal, of the damage or injury caused to the vehicle, structure or animal (as the case may be), and provide that owner with the driver’s particulars.

[Act 28 of 2014 wef 01/02/2015]

2)  The driver of the motor vehicle referred to in subsection (1) must report the accident at a police station or to a police officer as soon as reasonably practicable within 24 hours after the accident unless either of the following has occurred:

(a)

the driver has provided the driver’s particulars to a person referred to in subsection (1)(a);

(b)

the owner referred to in subsection (1)(b) has contacted the driver.

[Act 28 of 2014 wef 01/02/2015]

3)  If in any case owing to the presence of a motor vehicle on a road an accident occurs whereby any person is killed or any damage or injury is caused to any person, vehicle, structure or animal, the driver of the motor vehicle shall render such assistance as may be reasonably required by any police officer or in the absence of any police officer such assistance as it may reasonably be in the power of the driver to render.

[11/96]

4)  When owing to the presence of a motor vehicle on a road an accident occurs in consequence of which any person is killed or seriously injured or serious damage is caused to any vehicle or structure, no person shall, except under the authority of a police officer, move or otherwise interfere with any vehicle involved in the accident or any part of such vehicle or do any other act so as to destroy or alter any evidence of the accident except that —

(a)

a vehicle or any part thereof may be moved so far as may be necessary to extricate persons or animals involved, remove mails, prevent fire or prevent damage or obstruction to the public; and

(b)

goods or passengers baggage may be removed from a vehicle under the supervision of a police officer.

(5)  Subsection (4) shall not apply where it is urgently necessary to remove any seriously injured person to hospital and no suitable means of conveyance other than a vehicle involved in the accident is at hand.

6)  In this section —

“animal” means any horse, cattle, ass, mule, sheep, pig, goat or dog;

“particulars”, in relation to a driver of a motor vehicle, means the name and address of the driver of the motor vehicle, the name and address of the owner of the motor vehicle, and the identification marks of the motor vehicle.

[Act 28 of 2014 wef 01/02/2015]

7)  If any person fails to comply with any of the provisions of this section, he shall be guilty of an offence.

8)  Any person who is guilty of an offence under subsection (7) arising from his failure to comply with subsection (3) shall, if he had in driving or attempting to drive a motor vehicle at the time of the accident referred to in that subsection caused any serious injury or death to another person, be liable on conviction —

(a)

to a fine not exceeding $3,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months; and

(b)

in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years.

 

 

[Carnoob]

 

I think you should highlight: -

 

7)  If any person fails to comply with any of the provisions of this section, he shall be guilty of an offence.

[Kusje]

If I were him, can still argue:

 

1. Lady didn't ask him for his particulars - she asked for his IC

2. Law is ambiguous on what particulars are required - is it my name? My NRIC number? Address? Mother's maiden name?

 

 

 

 

 

6)  In this section —

“animal” means any horse, cattle, ass, mule, sheep, pig, goat or dog;

 

Poor cats. Don't need to stop for them 

Edited April 5, 2016 by Kusje

[Aventador]

1) having reasonable grounds for so requesting the driver’s particulars,

 

have to clarify what is reasonable grounds, driver can disagree it is reasonable

 

 

2) provide the driver’s particulars to that person;

 

note that it says drivers particulars - never say must show ic or driving license

 

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please note it is not the purview of the driver who got hit to verify if the other driver has a driving license, licensed to drive, where he stay etc

 

that is confidential information that the police handles

 

BUT if you doing private settlement, yes please get the IC, this should be mutually agreed

but i have seen people just settle privately with name cards,

 

I have private settled with just exchange phone number for a small scratch

[Kusje]

 

1) having reasonable grounds for so requesting the driver’s particulars,

 

have to clarify what is reasonable grounds, driver can disagree it is reasonable

 

 

2) provide the driver’s particulars to that person;

 

note that it says drivers particulars - never say must show ic or driving license

 

-----------------------

please note it is not the purview of the driver who got hit to verify if the other driver has a driving license, licensed to drive, where he stay etc

 

that is confidential information that the police handles

 

BUT if you doing private settlement, yes please get the IC, this should be mutually agreed

but i have seen people just settle privately with name cards,

 

I have private settled with just exchange phone number for a small scratch

 

 

If I am the driver, I definitely won't argue on reasonable grounds leh... Almost surely lose....

[Aventador]

And let me give you one tip

 

if you get into a minor accident with another car and no one injured, and you suspect the other driver drinking alcohol

 

do not watch too much CSI and try to get him arrested for drink driving

 

just make the insurance claim as a normal accident

Edited April 5, 2016 by Aventador

[Acemundo]

no need ask for nric but ask for driving licence is the standard.  like some say, snapping the number plate is not entirely correct cos eventually the person that is named by car insured may not be driver.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2016 by Acemundo

[Vratenza]

Just one more point to add.

 

It is the driver who who operated the vehicle resulting in an accident. The vehicle should not be the scapegoat for human error.

 

 

 

[Ktglfc]

Just take his photo, car number, report to police and then post the video in all media... and best report to Sin Ming and Wan Bao, get $50 and then his face will be the number 1 seen face in Singapore ....

 

Just take action, don't need to talk

[Fireball0088]

no need ask for nric but ask for driving licence is the standard.  like some say, snapping the number plate is not entirely correct cos eventually the person that is named by car insured may not be driver.

 

in this case, the lady should submit the video of the driver when claiming insurance... 

[Mockngbrd]

stuff like this is why i don't daily drive my car

[Vratenza]

I have privately settled without even exchanging contact number.

Damage is worth a few hundreds if reprayed. I just got a $50 from the guy, a hand shake and drove off. If I have asked for his ID and contact, I doubt he would refuse since he was in the wrong. 

 

My point is. There are various situation on the road. And in this case, clearly if the other party asked for the ID and he should have assuaged. It is only reasonable.

 

 

1) having reasonable grounds for so requesting the driver’s particulars,

 

have to clarify what is reasonable grounds, driver can disagree it is reasonable

 

 

2) provide the driver’s particulars to that person;

 

note that it says drivers particulars - never say must show ic or driving license

 

-----------------------

please note it is not the purview of the driver who got hit to verify if the other driver has a driving license, licensed to drive, where he stay etc

 

that is confidential information that the police handles

 

BUT if you doing private settlement, yes please get the IC, this should be mutually agreed

but i have seen people just settle privately with name cards,

 

I have private settled with just exchange phone number for a small scratch

 

 

Edited April 5, 2016 by Vratenza