newtocars Neutral Newbie January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 Thanks for your sharing! Anyone have any thoughts about paying premium (~20k) for 1.6 civic vs a base K3? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspiring1804 1st Gear January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 (edited) Hi everyone, Thought I'll tag on if its okay. Basically I'm looking for a B&B car with the following priorities: 1. Reliability 2. Space (planing for 2-3 kids) 3.Cost Will probably be using it for 10 years, if it holds up. Will probably need it by April so hopefully can benefit from COE price drop by CNY. Did some looking around and realized theres a huge range of cars: - Korean (K3, Elantra - generally cheapest but have concerns about reliability and FC) - Conti (Opel Astra, Ford Focus - decently cheap and best FC tho Astra's cost is deceptive low due to CEVS rebate. Main issue would be cost of maintenance after warranty ends - being held hostage by AD) - Japanese (1.6 Civic, Mazda 3 - Most expensive, great reliability, average FC. Issue with Mazda would be space and cost of maintenance while I'm not sure if I'm prepared to pay the premium for Civic even tho it seems really great. where possible, would prefer to not have keyless start as I read that its a matter of time before it breaks down and the repair cost is insane. Am generally okay with basic electronics to keep maintenance cost low. Realised corolla altis is not on yr list. Any reason? It fits the 3 points u mentioned. It has keyless entry though... only on driver side door (i wanted both front driver and passenger side actually). Edited January 23, 2017 by Inspiring1804 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auron 2nd Gear January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 Hi everyone, Thought I'll tag on if its okay. Basically I'm looking for a B&B car with the following priorities: 1. Reliability 2. Space (planing for 2-3 kids) 3.Cost Will probably be using it for 10 years, if it holds up. Will probably need it by April so hopefully can benefit from COE price drop by CNY. Did some looking around and realized theres a huge range of cars: - Korean (K3, Elantra - generally cheapest but have concerns about reliability and FC) - Conti (Opel Astra, Ford Focus - decently cheap and best FC tho Astra's cost is deceptive low due to CEVS rebate. Main issue would be cost of maintenance after warranty ends - being held hostage by AD) - Japanese (1.6 Civic, Mazda 3 - Most expensive, great reliability, average FC. Issue with Mazda would be space and cost of maintenance while I'm not sure if I'm prepared to pay the premium for Civic even tho it seems really great. where possible, would prefer to not have keyless start as I read that its a matter of time before it breaks down and the repair cost is insane. Am generally okay with basic electronics to keep maintenance cost low. same pattern as TS... my guess is you end up either with audi or bmw... good luck... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
therock Supersonic January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 Looks like you want something reliable. So get a Jap or Korean car sure won't go wrong.+1Corolla or Elantra. Sienta for space but Indonesia build so so. Likewise for civic. Built like a lego. Don't go see the Opel. You may love it's interior and safety that you forgot your first objectives. Otherwise the 1.4t is solid value. Resale, servicing etc maybe hard to estimate though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrianli Hypersonic January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 same pattern as TS... my guess is you end up either with audi or bmw... good luck... Dont think so lah. He wants a car without keyless start. Which audi or bmw still using a key to start? Also he wants less electrics, difficult to find a car still using hand to wind the windows up and down. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tianmo Hypersonic January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 +1 Corolla or Elantra. Sienta for space but Indonesia build so so. Likewise for civic. Built like a lego. Don't go see the Opel. You may love it's interior and safety that you forgot your first objectives. Otherwise the 1.4t is solid value. Resale, servicing etc maybe hard to estimate though. CCB, you just hit my nerve. Spell exactly what happen to me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tianmo Hypersonic January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 Dont think so lah. He wants a car without keyless start. Which audi or bmw still using a key to start? Also he wants less electrics, difficult to find a car still using hand to wind the windows up and down. this part laugh me die. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newtocars Neutral Newbie January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 Thanks for all your inputs. Any thoughts Elantra vs k3? Same platform? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia7200 5th Gear January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 Dont think so lah. He wants a car without keyless start. Which audi or bmw still using a key to start? Also he wants less electrics, difficult to find a car still using hand to wind the windows up and down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
therock Supersonic January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 Dont think so lah. He wants a car without keyless start. Which audi or bmw still using a key to start? Also he wants less electrics, difficult to find a car still using hand to wind the windows up and down. Less electronics?Forget keyless - you can hardly find any car which allows you to open the door with a key.. most rely on a remote fob. Anyway not everyone goes Conti la.. Some go Korean right? Like Opel or Chevrolet.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia7200 5th Gear January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 Dont think so lah. He wants a car without keyless start. Which audi or bmw still using a key to start? Also he wants less electrics, difficult to find a car still using hand to wind the windows up and down. Toyota new prius . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 Less electronics? Forget keyless - you can hardly find any car which allows you to open the door with a key.. most rely on a remote fob. Anyway not everyone goes Conti la.. Some go Korean right? Like Opel or Chevrolet.. Opel not German car meh? Chevy is American hor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
therock Supersonic January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 Based on your priorities, first car came in m mind is toyota Sienta. A note on Opel Astra. You should see the print on their ads - German Engineered. Meaning, the design is by the German but not the manufacturing. It is actually made in Korea. for those who has reservation on the Korean made car. So it's no longer made in Poland? I think the 1.4 is made in UK, so the current Opel can either be Korean or Brit.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
therock Supersonic January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 - Conti (Opel Astra, Ford Focus - decently cheap and best FC tho Astra's cost is deceptive low due to CEVS rebate. Main issue would be cost of maintenance after warranty ends - being held hostage by AD) where possible, would prefer to not have keyless start as I read that its a matter of time before it breaks down and the repair cost is insane. Am generally okay with basic electronics to keep maintenance cost low. 1- The Opel Astra 1.4 has 5k CEVS only, and you get a Cat B COE. Do not be fooled by the Ford Focus 1.0T's specs. Very few people get anywhere close to that figure. Keyless start? Well that depends on the car you choose. For example the Merc version allows you to remove the button, and stick the key into the keyhole. No worries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia7200 5th Gear January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 Realised corolla altis is not on yr list. Any reason? It fits the 3 points u mentioned. It has keyless entry though... only on driver side door (i wanted both front driver and passenger side actually).He mentioned he wanted something nicer looking before he get old. Getting a altis will instantly make he feel old Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben5266 Supercharged January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 So it's no longer made in Poland? I think the 1.4 is made in UK, so the current Opel can either be Korean or Brit.. Sorry. Mokka is from Korea. Astra, I assumed is also from Korea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
therock Supersonic January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 He mentioned he wanted something nicer looking before he get old. Getting a altis will instantly make he feel old Then, an Audi A3 display car at 119k might do the trick.. Sleek, solid feel, powerful and a nice ride.. Park a bit of money on the side, in case the gearbox gives some trouble and you are good to go.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia7200 5th Gear January 23, 2017 Share January 23, 2017 Then, an Audi A3 display car at 119k might do the trick.. Sleek, solid feel, powerful and a nice ride.. Park a bit of money on the side, in case the gearbox gives some trouble and you are good to go.. I get a Q30 somemore diesel car, look stylo too ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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