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Posted 30 April 2018 - 08:17 PM

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Not really... Used to be and I believe is still the case that S class gets the newest toys in MB's arsenal before filtering down the model lines 1 to 2 generations later. 

 

The a class is a completely new model whereas the c class is just a facelift. Carmakers usually new tech into lower end cars to try out its reliability and also to attract younger customers into the brand.

 


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Calling Heman75

wah lao dont dont like that ley.... make me more itchy..


Real one or oneself label one? But still not a true AMG cause engine not built by one man.

doesnt matter not real AMG ... good enough for me hahha 


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Hi all,

 

 

If i am looking at the C class, should i get it now or wait for the facelift in end 2018? prices quoted are not as attractive as what i thought it will be even thought the facelift is coming. prices are about same as 2 to 3 yrs ago when COE are high.  I wonder if the quoted prices are always quite constant as they have a large margin to play with. if so, it would be better to get the upcoming facelist model.

 

any thoughts?


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Posted 11 May 2018 - 04:42 PM

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Hi all,

 

 

If i am looking at the C class, should i get it now or wait for the facelift in end 2018? prices quoted are not as attractive as what i thought it will be even thought the facelift is coming. prices are about same as 2 to 3 yrs ago when COE are high.  I wonder if the quoted prices are always quite constant as they have a large margin to play with. if so, it would be better to get the upcoming facelist model.

 

any thoughts?

 

Did you go down to talk to the SE or just looked at the list price?

From what I understand from a friend who bought, there is:

 

1) $5k discount off the list price

2) $5k OT

3) $6k service credit

4) $8k Enhanced Package which comprises PPS, brake pads and battery change amongst other items

 

I think you can also bargain for a few k discount on top of the above but this subjective so price I feel is fair as the OMV is $37k for the Avantgarde model so if you work out, the margin is very reasonable for a premium brand.


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Posted 11 May 2018 - 04:50 PM

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Did you go down to talk to the SE or just looked at the list price?
From what I understand from a friend who bought, there is:

1) $5k discount off the list price
2) $5k OT
3) $6k service credit
4) $8k Enhanced Package which comprises PPS, brake pads and battery change amongst other items

I think you can also bargain for a few k discount on top of the above but this subjective so price I feel is fair as the OMV is $37k for the Avantgarde model so if you work out, the margin is very reasonable for a premium brand.

As I had mentioned numerous times, Margin does not represent anything.

Factory sells to importer at OMV.

Importer sells to AD at ????

??? nobody knows. What's the amount of margin of AD is unknown.

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 05:05 PM

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As I had mentioned numerous times, Margin does not represent anything.

Factory sells to importer at OMV.

Importer sells to AD at ????

??? nobody knows. What's the amount of margin of AD is unknown.

 

I'm just trying to justify to him that the price is fair contrary to what he posted.

 

Margin may not be impt to you but it is to a lot of people including myself. As for the go betweens, buyer doesn't care if have to share between 2, 3 or more as I have also mentioned numerous times. Simple calculation based on the OMV and what is posted on onemotoring is sufficient for us to get a fair idea what the margin is and this is transparent and applies to all importers.

 

In short, I feel it's a worthwhile price to go in if this car suits your needs but the price I mentioned was before Wed's COE bid so I'm not sure if the price is still there.


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Did you go down to talk to the SE or just looked at the list price?

From what I understand from a friend who bought, there is:

 

1) $5k discount off the list price

2) $5k OT

3) $6k service credit

4) $8k Enhanced Package which comprises PPS, brake pads and battery change amongst other items

 

I think you can also bargain for a few k discount on top of the above but this subjective so price I feel is fair as the OMV is $37k for the Avantgarde model so if you work out, the margin is very reasonable for a premium brand.

+1

The final price and the OT amount can be discussed. But someone has to pay a premium for the car. 

If it's too much, well there are other choices.. 

A MIJ Corolla / Forester has more legroom and is about half the price of this African made car .. 

In the same way, no one forces you to buy a Rolex instead of a Casio..

 

So YMMV..


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Posted 11 May 2018 - 05:31 PM

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I'm just trying to justify to him that the price is fair contrary to what he posted.

Margin may not be impt to you but it is to a lot of people including myself. As for the go betweens, buyer doesn't care if have to share between 2, 3 or more as I have also mentioned numerous times. Simple calculation based on the OMV and what is posted on onemotoring is sufficient for us to get a fair idea what the margin is and this is transparent and applies to all importers.

In short, I feel it's a worthwhile price to go in if this car suits your needs but the price I mentioned was before Wed's COE bid so I'm not sure if the price is still there.

FL C class will have 48v mild hybrid system that is still very new. Does he want to take that risk?

That should be the bigger consideration.

Margin is not important to me as I nvr buy new๐Ÿ˜œ

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 06:01 PM

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Margin is not important to me as I nvr buy new๐Ÿ˜œ

 

Exactly and that's why we are always on a different page because I always buy new and hence margin is important to me cos that will give me an idea whether price is fair or not vis a vis other comparable models.

 

Anyway, the original post was about the price being almost same as when launched despite a facelift model coming out soon so I thought it was good for me to share what I know from a recent buyer with him on what is given and this info obviously not available unless your go down to the showroom itself. With the discounts, OT, service credits etc, seems a good buy. 


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Posted 11 May 2018 - 06:07 PM

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Exactly and that's why we are always on a different page because I always buy new and hence margin is important to me cos that will give me an idea whether price is fair or not vis a vis other comparable models.

Anyway, the original post was about the price being almost same as when launched despite a facelift model coming out soon so I thought it was good for me to share what I know from a recent buyer with him on what is given and this info obviously not available unless your go down to the showroom itself. With the discounts, OT, service credits etc, seems a good buy.

What's missing from equation is equipment level.

Despite same price with higher margin, there could be more equipment throw in before introduction of FL.

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 10:53 AM

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an update.. the SE told me that the new facelift most prob using same engine.. new fl will have changes to front bumper, lights, rear bumper and lights, steering wheeling and centre console... invoiced price around 177k. gave my CLA 5k overtrade... but even with overtade still lowertrade in price than other AD...

the c class interior not alot of diff from my cla... but i like that merc have all safety feature comes standard.. with audi ,jag and bmw doesnt..
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Posted 12 May 2018 - 01:41 PM

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They tend to introduce features gradually..
Keep the same price and each year add more kit ..
I just saw a few fly by on the autobahn at very high speeds .. nice ๐Ÿ‘
Apart from VW, Mercedes is probably the most frequently encountered car and some date back to the 190E..

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Hi all,

 

 

If i am looking at the C class, should i get it now or wait for the facelift in end 2018? prices quoted are not as attractive as what i thought it will be even thought the facelift is coming. prices are about same as 2 to 3 yrs ago when COE are high.  I wonder if the quoted prices are always quite constant as they have a large margin to play with. if so, it would be better to get the upcoming facelist model.

 

any thoughts?

 

I know what you mean. I took a look at the numbers as I have been asked to consider switching my 1+ year old 7G C class to a 9G on current package. The reason why the list price after 5k discount seems flat despite 12k drop in COE prices over the past year is due to the VES in my view.  My 7G had a 5k CEVS rebate when I bought it while the current C Class has a 10k VES surcharge so that offsets the drop in COE. AD margin now is actually a bit lower compared to when I bought my 7G.  

 

The offer is tempting as my annual depreciation of 14.5k remains about the same when factoring in the face value of the more useful items under the enhanced car essential package like front (2x) and rear (1x) brake pads, battery replacement (1x) and aircon chemical wash (1x) and aircon filters (2x) that is not given under my current car essentials package. Depreciation is also kind of flat as the PARF value on the 9G is slightly higher as there is no deduction of VES rebate for the calculation of the PARF value since there is no rebate but a surcharge instead.  And yes, one gets to drive a 9G C vs a 7G.   


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Bro, dont quite follow your arguments

 

U are planning to switch a 1 year old 7G for a new 9G

 

your annual depreciation for your 7G after 1 year is 14.5 k at your sale price?

 

What are the relative "savings" buying a new 9G now

 

coe drop does not quite matter, what matters is the absolute Nett price of your new car and the nett sale price of your old car and your nett

 

loss when u sell and the relative depr of old and new car at the same time point

 

actual essential package savings are limited, what matters is the actual cash discount up front

 

 

 

 

I know what you mean. I took a look at the numbers as I have been asked to consider switching my 1+ year old 7G C class to a 9G on current package. The reason why the list price after 5k discount seems flat despite 12k drop in COE prices over the past year is due to the VES in my view.  My 7G had a 5k CEVS rebate when I bought it while the current C Class has a 10k VES surcharge so that offsets the drop in COE. AD margin now is actually a bit lower compared to when I bought my 7G.  

 

The offer is tempting as my annual depreciation of 14.5k remains about the same when factoring in the face value of the more useful items under the enhanced car essential package like front (2x) and rear (1x) brake pads, battery replacement (1x) and aircon chemical wash (1x) and aircon filters (2x) that is not given under my current car essentials package. Depreciation is also kind of flat as the PARF value on the 9G is slightly higher as there is no deduction of VES rebate for the calculation of the PARF value since there is no rebate but a surcharge instead.  And yes, one gets to drive a 9G C vs a 7G.   

 



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Bro, dont quite follow your arguments

 

U are planning to switch a 1 year old 7G for a new 9G

 

your annual depreciation for your 7G after 1 year is 14.5 k at your sale price?

 

What are the relative "savings" buying a new 9G now

 

coe drop does not quite matter, what matters is the absolute Nett price of your new car and the nett sale price of your old car and your nett

 

loss when u sell and the relative depr of old and new car at the same time point

 

actual essential package savings are limited, what matters is the actual cash discount up front

 

Sigh, you hit the nail on the head.  No monetary gain or savings really, which is why I am still thinking about it. The 9G will depreciate at about same rate as my 7G.  The car will be delivered in aug. So current car will be 17 mths old when I swap to new car.  That is a straight line 20k depreciation loss which I will have to top up for new car which maybe is ok since depreciation of new car is typically higher in first 1-2 years.

 

Benefit is driving a 9G car; Extend COE life by 17 months (I am one of those who worry that COE will go up a lot in a few years time!); I can transfer my current service credits which will last longer since brake pads, battery is now covered; there is the extra PPS, interior cleaning, windshield polish, etc., but I don't put much value to that.  Not sure what else I may be missing. 



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Why waste good money on more or less the same car? 

 

Life is too short to be driving 2 same car one after another.

 

Save the money drive till 3yrs, upgrade to a better model. 

 

Sigh, you hit the nail on the head.  No monetary gain or savings really, which is why I am still thinking about it. The 9G will depreciate at about same rate as my 7G.  The car will be delivered in aug. So current car will be 17 mths old when I swap to new car.  That is a straight line 20k depreciation loss which I will have to top up for new car which maybe is ok since depreciation of new car is typically higher in first 1-2 years.

 

Benefit is driving a 9G car; Extend COE life by 17 months (I am one of those who worry that COE will go up a lot in a few years time!); I can transfer my current service credits which will last longer since brake pads, battery is now covered; there is the extra PPS, interior cleaning, windshield polish, etc., but I don't put much value to that.  Not sure what else I may be missing. 

 


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Sigh, you hit the nail on the head. No monetary gain or savings really, which is why I am still thinking about it. The 9G will depreciate at about same rate as my 7G. The car will be delivered in aug. So current car will be 17 mths old when I swap to new car. That is a straight line 20k depreciation loss which I will have to top up for new car which maybe is ok since depreciation of new car is typically higher in first 1-2 years.

Benefit is driving a 9G car; Extend COE life by 17 months (I am one of those who worry that COE will go up a lot in a few years time!); I can transfer my current service credits which will last longer since brake pads, battery is now covered; there is the extra PPS, interior cleaning, windshield polish, etc., but I don't put much value to that. Not sure what else I may be missing.


What is your current car model?

After 17 months only 20k depreciation on straight line basis?
You cannot work out like that wan la.

Try asking for your car resale value....... easily lose close to 30k.
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Sigh, you hit the nail on the head. No monetary gain or savings really, which is why I am still thinking about it. The 9G will depreciate at about same rate as my 7G. The car will be delivered in aug. So current car will be 17 mths old when I swap to new car. That is a straight line 20k depreciation loss which I will have to top up for new car which maybe is ok since depreciation of new car is typically higher in first 1-2 years.

Benefit is driving a 9G car; Extend COE life by 17 months (I am one of those who worry that COE will go up a lot in a few years time!); I can transfer my current service credits which will last longer since brake pads, battery is now covered; there is the extra PPS, interior cleaning, windshield polish, etc., but I don't put much value to that. Not sure what else I may be missing.

Have you tested the car with 9G? Is very different from the 7G? I would focus on the real hardware changes rather than the service/maintenance things, which can be EASILY covered with the money used for top up.

As for the COE, that is speculative, so that's really up to you.
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What is your current car model?

After 17 months only 20k depreciation on straight line basis?
You cannot work out like that wan la.

Try asking for your car resale value....... easily lose close to 30k.

 

its more so now with the COE on the decline. I imagine the COE 17months back is approx 50K on average.

 

The wild card is really the VES that is affecting the prices as well as the 40K range of COE.

 

Now that we are in May /June period, the twice a year push for volume sales by PML and C&C will again cause prices to be more attractive.


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Thanks for your advice guys.  Will bear it in mind. Trying to get them to sweeten the deal. 

 

Vratenza - I would typically drive my car for full 10 years.  That is what I did for my last BMW although final 2 years made me regret when my beemer started giving me all sorts of problems!  That's why depreciation is important for me.  A jap car would therefore make more sense but I do like the solid ride quality, safety and feel of conti cars so paying up more for that.

 

Piyopico - 7G C Class sedan. Net price 165k.  Depreciation = (165k -19.5k)/10 = 14.5k. AD offer 150k for 17 mth old car since new car delivery in Aug. I think you are right that actual loss if I try to sell in 2nd hand market will likely be 25-30k although when I check sgcarmart 2nd hand price for 1+ year old C Class, seller is asking much higher (obviously!) but I don't know what is actually transacted.   

 

Douglam - Yes, did a test drive.  Ride does feel better since I manage to give it a go on expressway. SE pointed out that the Sport and Sport+ mode has more power under 9G and it does feel that way but don't ask me why!  That said, I have no complaints and am very happy with my current 7G.  

 

 


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