13177 Supersonic February 26, 2018 Share February 26, 2018 Recall if you have a habit or had changed lane, but after going into the lane did not accelerate fast enough even though the traffic in front is clear/light. You may think it's OK, but this often can cause vehicles behind to brake hard to avoid incidents. You may think you have checked traffic behind is clear, but some may be coming from your blind spots. I believe such behavior on the road happened almost everyday lo, i also got jam brake before due to the car infront. I guess just happened that TS appeared at the wrong place and wrong time, which happened that the TP officer saw it. Anyway, nowadays very stressful, the authority can like this summon you even they did not stop your vehicle and issue the summon to you on the spot. Not even show you any video or evident that you have committed the offence. They say you have committed the offence means you have. ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic February 26, 2018 Share February 26, 2018 You want to go to court and argue against the TP officer who had booked you, who, in the eyes of the law is the material AND expert witness? You can try lah! Sure lose one! Compounded fine will be increased further, should you lose! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic February 26, 2018 Share February 26, 2018 Hi TS, symphatize with your situation. This is my first ever post as I have been a bystander reading the forum topics. All seniors pardon me if I make any mistake in my posting. My case happened about 4 years back. I was sending my colleague back around 11pm and was along those neighbourhood 1 lane road. Just before my colleague carpark about 10m before entrance, there is a traffic light junction which was red light. I stopped and waited for the traffic to turn green but after almost 2-3 minutes it did not turn green so I presume traffic light spoiled. I moved off and turn into the carpark. Unluckily a neighbourhood police car was patrolling on the opposite direction. They followed me to my colleague block and motioned for me to off my engine and pass them my IC and driving license. I explained to the SSGT that I moved off as I believed the traffic light is spoiled. He told me sorry he cant do anything because if he did not stopped me, other motorist will complain they are not doing their job. I told him its quite obvious that the traffic light is spoiled. And you are asking the 2 NSF to marshall the traffic and you were calling TP HQ to update the situation. I was pissed off as I dont understand his rational. He still said sorry just wait for TP letter and appeal. After he took my particulars, I went over and took a video of the spoiled traffic light with the 2 NSF marshalling the traffic. I left shortly after. About 15 minutes later, an ATS traffic serviceman came to repair the lights and I told my colleague that stayed near by to take photos and video of that ATS van. About a month later, I received a letter from TP about my case. I immediately appealed. While appealing, I emailed ATS traffic to confirm that there was a serviceman that repaired that particular traffic light. The appeal failed and I re-appealed with screenshot of the reply from ATS. And I’m sure you would have guessed that it failed too. I proceeded to head over to TP HQ to appeal to the Officer there and was told she cant do anything and if you dont want to pay the $200 fine and 12 demerit points, go attend court to fight my case. I went to court with all the screnshots, appeal letters and photos of the case to present my unfair case by myself. And I went there a total of 4 times each time the TP officer told the Judge they are still in the midst of investigation. The 4th time I attended court, they acquitted me of all charges and reinstate my 12 points. It was a hassle as it dragged for about 6-8 months. But I told myself I have to fight this case as I did not purposely beat the red light as I stopped and waited for awhile before acertaining to drive off. All the best TS if you choose to fight your case! Your case is totally different to TS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic February 26, 2018 Share February 26, 2018 The real problem is many people drive badly and they don't know they drive badly. Unless they have frens who tell them like me. My colleague was driving and he always drags the gear and I told him he need to change up and he said to me our boss always tells him the same thing. I thought heng ah someone more senior then us told him the same thing. If no one ever told him and especially someone senior to us and someone who is very knowledgeable about cars then he may look at me funny and say what are you talking about. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_b20 6th Gear February 26, 2018 Share February 26, 2018 (edited) don't think that even if you ownself have cam video it will be a miracle arrow blocking shield to bring to court. cam video can also be easily faked.. can easily set a fake date & time and drive somewhere to record a fake video. the judge will still think the integrity of the TP officer words is higher than the integrity of your car cam video Edited February 26, 2018 by Mr_b20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battledome64 2nd Gear February 26, 2018 Share February 26, 2018 When there is no hard evidence (video or photo) to prove that you committed an offence, in my opinion there should be no grounds to issue you a summon. The TP should have stopped you there and then to summon you as the incident had just happened if he is right behind. You would have remembered what happened and you would have taken the ticket willingly if you are guilty. To receive the ticket after the incident, you would have forgotten what happened plus any videos you may have already has been overwritten by new footage. To sentence someone guilty just based on words of another person without hard evidence, even if the person is a public officer, seems wrong to me. Isnât the onus on the authority to provide sufficient evidence beyond reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty? Failing which the accused shall be deemed innocent. I feel for you bro, this feeling sucks. Agree with you Recently got traffic speed summon and I don’t remember what speed I am driving at. They say exceed between 1-20km/h seriously 1km/h above speed limit? I have now changed my driving habits to adhere to speed limit but get horned lots of times and also find many tailgaters They didn’t indicate what speed I was at they are quite unfriendly. Like this is it take it or leave it I think it’s a safety breach if someone keeps checking his speed everytime causing paranoia and anxiety Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atonchia Supersonic February 26, 2018 Share February 26, 2018 Nothing wrong with seeking the help of an MP or your local grassroots adviser in cases such as these, if TS believes he has a case. And to the mangkuk who disliked my comment, no this is not "misusing" the MP. It is an avenue for TS to seek assistance in his case, after his eventual unsuccessful appeal (if TS decides to appeal to TP). And no i am not an opposition suppprter. Don't be too bothered with dislikes MPs or grassroots are there to facilitate, link and help people who knows nothing about the right organisation to seek help. They are also the voices of people to be heard in parliament. They are not there to influence or "control" e result for a single person who committed a traffic offence. If the person felt wrongly summoned. Take it to court. That's the right course to address his problem. He already knew which agency or organisation, it just TS Vs TP. The court will hear both sides and pass a judgment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atonchia Supersonic February 26, 2018 Share February 26, 2018 (edited) Really? I have a few frens who owns bars and liquor shops maybe can introduce your social drinking frens to them? We can get commission. I see opportunities where people only see problems. Drinking at pubs quite expensive and have timing to watch. Buy and drink at home is the best. Edited February 26, 2018 by Atonchia 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas 5th Gear February 26, 2018 Share February 26, 2018 Agree with you Recently got traffic speed summon and I don’t remember what speed I am driving at. They say exceed between 1-20km/h seriously 1km/h above speed limit? I have now changed my driving habits to adhere to speed limit but get horned lots of times and also find many tailgaters They didn’t indicate what speed I was at they are quite unfriendly. Like this is it take it or leave it I think it’s a safety breach if someone keeps checking his speed everytime causing paranoia and anxiety Saw TP saying it on news years ago that usually they give around 10km/h allowance because of many factors making speedometer not very accurate. Maybe you drove at 60+ thinking the limit is 60km/h? When actually quite a lot of roads here are 50km/h. https://www.onemotoring.com.sg/content/onemotoring/en/on_the_roads/road_safety/speed_limits.html Please try to relax if not you'll have HBP like me. Nowadays I just try to leave much earlier so can drive leisurely at lane 2 or 3 and follow a car that has decent speed. I point my rear view mirror higher so can't see car lights which are a distraction but can still see cars. I recommend blind spot mirrors so you can "feel" when cars are around you. Some drivers just honks for the slightest thing and may not even be honking at you so don't think too much. Lastly, get a OBD HUD to check your speed easily. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor68 Turbocharged February 27, 2018 Share February 27, 2018 Get the lawyer representing city harvest church. he can find loop holes in the law.lclear cut can escape, yours peanut. hahaha 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sdf4786k Twincharged February 27, 2018 Share February 27, 2018 Get the lawyer representing city harvest church. he can find loop holes in the law.lclear cut can escape, yours peanut. hahaha yeah. But try to avoid the kangtao for "cruise to no where" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongster 6th Gear February 27, 2018 Share February 27, 2018 I once write an appeal letter for not giving way to bus coming out of bus stop. Basically gist was I can’t remember a thing, but when driving day in day out we make all kinds of decisions, often at split second, most times I get it right, once or twice might be wrong, can pang chanz not. Surprisingly was let off 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrecord Supersonic February 27, 2018 Share February 27, 2018 MP will not interfere anything that is under investigation. They can help to write in to expedite investigation or refer to the right party. That all. Actually I agree with TS in the sense that even if TP can't (or is not willing to) furnish video or other evidence, the minimum should be to at least state the location and time of the alleged offence. Otherwise, how to convince people? What happen if it's a case of mistaken identity where vehicle no. is close but mistaken, etc.? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrecord Supersonic February 27, 2018 Share February 27, 2018 your case was quite straightforward, you have all the evidence with you, just need to go through the process to prove your case, you can even call upon the 2 officer as witness and report what they said. Exactly... and yet it took 4 court hearings and still the TP dare say still investigating and kept continuing their wrong accusation instead of admitting their mistake... We always give public servants the benefit of the doubt... but sometimes they really are telling us they are quite hopeless... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman888 Moderator February 27, 2018 Share February 27, 2018 Actually I agree with TS in the sense that even if TP can't (or is not willing to) furnish video or other evidence, the minimum should be to at least state the location and time of the alleged offence. Otherwise, how to convince people? What happen if it's a case of mistaken identity where vehicle no. is close but mistaken, etc.? TS did mention the notice got state time and location. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrecord Supersonic February 27, 2018 Share February 27, 2018 TS did mention the notice got state time and location. yah hor... missed out reading one full page... then if TS did remember travelling on that road at that time, means not mistaken identity and it would be difficult to argue unless there is clear video evidence showing otherwise lor... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusje Supersonic February 27, 2018 Share February 27, 2018 Exactly... and yet it took 4 court hearings and still the TP dare say still investigating and kept continuing their wrong accusation instead of admitting their mistake... We always give public servants the benefit of the doubt... but sometimes they really are telling us they are quite hopeless... Actually I don't understand... If brought to court means the TP is putting the case against him already right? How can TP turn up and say still investigating? Still investigating then why charge him? AG sleeping as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrecord Supersonic February 27, 2018 Share February 27, 2018 Actually I don't understand... If brought to court means the TP is putting the case against him already right? How can TP turn up and say still investigating? Still investigating then why charge him? AG sleeping as well? Quite true... how can 先斩后奏？？？ The judge should F the TP big time for wasting 4 court sessions this way, right? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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