Singapore to Fail without PAP?

[LPPL]

After i check now ald hit 2.3k.

 

Also need to consider the duration u need to find a job. Many young taiwanese jobless end up selling street food at night market. Also need to consider career progression. My poly friends now enjoy salary above 5k after working for few yrs, its impossible to get this amount of salary in taiwan.

 

And moreover $1k in taiwan is for fresh grad from university. In sg local uni earn 3.7k nowadays.

 

Maybe u should understand taiwan more before thinking the grass at the other side is greener

Which uni grad? Even private uni earning 2.7k at least. I didnt know about how many china grad coming here but employment rate here is low.

Grass greener on the other side doesn't mean it has to be Taiwan. You are picking on Taiwan just because average monthly dropped to 40k+twd, why don't you talk about the time when average monthly pay in Taiwan was double recently?

Singapore is rated most expensive city only because they factor in the cost of car. In Taiwan most graduates cannot find job, end up work selling food. Here most graduates can find a proper job with long term prospect. I teach in a varsity and recently one of my student got a job with a starting salary of $4k (not even a degree holder). Another student of mine worked for about coming to 15 years, the salary is already 5 figures. Of cos not everyone can achieve the same, it boils down to oneself even though opportunity is plenty here. But people who blame the system are often those who don't look at themselves why they dont make it while others do.

If I am not mistaken, the world's most expensive cities survey was carried out based on running cost of car like petrol and not the cost of car. Obviously, being greedy they would find ways to tax car owners to the hilt even when petrol prices drop, you don't know that?

 

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/03/14/singapore-named-the-worlds-most-expensive-city-to-live-in.html

After i check now ald hit 2.3k.

 

Also need to consider the duration u need to find a job. Many young taiwanese jobless end up selling street food at night market. Also need to consider career progression. My poly friends now enjoy salary above 5k after working for few yrs, its impossible to get this amount of salary in taiwan.

 

And moreover $1k in taiwan is for fresh grad from university. In sg local uni earn 3.7k nowadays.

 

Maybe u should understand taiwan more before thinking the grass at the other side is greener

Which uni grad? Even private uni earning 2.7k at least. I didnt know about how many china grad coming here but employment rate here is low.

You never heard of local university grads and pmets driving grab car here? Go Google, not difficult to find lah.

[Ingenius]

In your opinion will these jobs disappear without the PAP as the government?

 

If yes. Why? How will this happen?

In the short term, no, because we have a strong foundation. In the long term, it depends on whether the new government can gather enough capable people in the cabinet to serve and to lead, which I think is possible. However, it so much easier to find 100 capable people in a population of 300+million in United States than in singapore, with a population of 5 million. That's why we have to pay market rate to attract capable leaders. No one will forgo their worth just to serve the nation, because everyone has their own aspiration.

 

One thing is, if a country government is shakey, investors are unwilling to invest, as it will have a lot of uncertainty. Look at the hsr plan between singapore and Malaysia hanging in the balance now.

Edited May 26, 2018 by Ingenius

[Picnic06-Biante15]

Singapore should not failed ....  

 

Failure is not an option here .   

[Ingenius]

Grass greener on the other side doesn't mean it has to be Taiwan. You are picking on Taiwan just because average monthly dropped to 40k+twd, why don't you talk about the time when average monthly pay in Taiwan was double recently?

If I am not mistaken, the world's most expensive cities survey was carried out based on running cost of car like petrol and not the cost of car. Obviously, being greedy they would find ways to tax car owners to the hilt even when petrol prices drop, you don't know that?

 

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/03/14/singapore-named-the-worlds-most-expensive-city-to-live-in.html

You never heard of local university grads and pmets driving grab car here? Go Google, not difficult to find lah.

So which country don't have graduates working as driver or unemployed ? Edited May 26, 2018 by Ingenius

[Staff69]

 

 

 

I cant help it 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sosaria]

Grass greener on the other side doesn't mean it has to be Taiwan. You are picking on Taiwan just because average monthly dropped to 40k+twd, why don't you talk about the time when average monthly pay in Taiwan was double recently?

If I am not mistaken, the world's most expensive cities survey was carried out based on running cost of car like petrol and not the cost of car. Obviously, being greedy they would find ways to tax car owners to the hilt even when petrol prices drop, you don't know that?

 

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/03/14/singapore-named-the-worlds-most-expensive-city-to-live-in.html

You never heard of local university grads and pmets driving grab car here? Go Google, not difficult to find lah.

I don't think taiwan salaries are low in general. Heard from a chiongster fren that thai ladies indicate they prefer to "working" in taiwan over singapore these days partly because immigration is easier and potential earnings are more.

 

Think taiwan salaries are depressed? Just a statement that can only fool those living in a well.

[Citros]

Personal feeling is a good government comes with governance and full accountability. There is some way to go b4 achieving such a state. Current state favors the rulers, which is out of balance. If we can have a strong leader who cares and loves his country and put coutry above self it would be good. I don't think Singapore is as difficult to run as it is made out to be. So if such a person emerged my support will go him even his shirt is coloured.

 

Besides good governance and accountability, and country above self, it would be good if the new leader can also think of the common people.  Abolish COE.  Pay back the COE taken from those with cars, and issue car permits but free of charge.  COE only makes car ownership go out of reach of the common people and benefit the super rich and garment coffers.  To balance the budget, cut all ministers salaries down to a sane level.

Edited May 26, 2018 by Citros

[BanCoe]

Besides good governance and accountability, and country above self, it would be good if the new leader can also think of the common people. Abolish COE. Pay back the COE taken from those with cars, and issue car permits but free of charge. COE only makes car ownership go out of reach of the common people and benefit the super rich and garment coffers. To balance the budget, cut all ministers salaries down to a sane level.

BanCoe ‼️ ....... my name no pakai 1 Edited May 26, 2018 by BanCoe

[Staff69]

this is what they have become

 

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/BlogtamsuPhilippines/videos/203513170424567/

[LPPL]

in malaysia, even though they change the govt, the two guys they put in all had experience in running the country, more experience than anyone else in fact.

 

will pakatan harapan still win if they are all novice at governing? will we elect a opposition who are novice at governing? if ever we elect a non-PAP government, it is likely to be ex-PAP.

If you go by that logic, all political parties who become govt in any country first should remain as govt forever. Why can't an opposition pick up the good points in the past govt and work to improve on things that the past govt hasn't done? Edited May 26, 2018 by LPPL

[BanCoe]

this is what they have become

 

 

 

 

 

You no like come here kachau kachau poor pinky pig hor ‼️

[LPPL]

Besides good governance and accountability, and country above self, it would be good if the new leader can also think of the common people. Abolish COE. Pay back the COE taken from those with cars, and issue car permits but free of charge. COE only makes car ownership go out of reach of the common people and benefit the super rich and garment coffers. To balance the budget, cut all ministers salaries down to a sane level.

No need to touch coe, just return people their cpf at 55 good enough for starters.

[Playtime]

After seeing the change of government in Malaysia after 60 years, obviously many people have talked about could it happen in Singapore?

 

And the way some of the younger leaders talk and handle issues leave me feeling disappointed with the situation. Josephine Teo comes across very arrogant, Ng chee meng too. Now Ong ye kung says teachers must have self discipline and pay parking...

 

Singapore is being run as a business, with annual price increases to maximise profits everywhere. And i disagree with it

 

Anyway this topic is not to bash the government, there are enough threads on this.

 

What i hope to see is your views on what will happen if there was a change in government in the next 1-2 elections.

 

How will it affect Singapore. Will we fail as a country? Will our women become maids in other countries as LKY once claimed?

 

Give your analysis of what you think will happen if the PAP is no longer the government.

 

Ideally put the worse case scenario of how bad things will be. Can we survive it?

 

Or do you think that it won't mean the end of Singapore as the PAP likes to claim

I would say there has already been change in govt going on.

 

In lky days, folks came from pte sector, everyday folks. They gave up careers to join govt. But the depth of industry and human knowledge and drive made things work.

Lky was right to say they have up alot and deserve some compensation. Hence his high pay for corruption deal.

 

But it all went downhill.

 

Look now.. all generals and civil servants.. none of whom were tested in a real war.. or even worked a day in the real pte sector.

All got into govt and became rich beyond ordinary singaporeans dream.

 

Will Singapore fail without pap?.. I don't know.

 

But what pap are we even talking about here now?

[Playtime]

You are referring to a small minority, you should carry out a survey of the bottom 20% of university graduates each year and see how well they fair. When these local graduates don't make it but others do, you should see what you mean by others, are they even locals? As an academic, you should know that it is impossible for locals to compete with the world. Is it easier to find 2000 top talents from China (with 10 million university graduates a year) to fill up 2000 jobs meant for our 2000 local graduates? Common sense will tell you no matter how hard our locals work at university, we can easily be displaced by foreigners. Don't forget that 10 million university graduates a year is just from China, that alone is enough to overtake our country.

True the obvious fault of meritocracy in our schools and work.

Funding foreigners to study and work here while forcing locals oversea or out must be the most stupid policy.. possibly the worst deal in the world Trump would say.

[Thaiyotakamli]

I don't think taiwan salaries are low in general. Heard from a chiongster fren that thai ladies indicate they prefer to "working" in taiwan over singapore these days partly because immigration is easier and potential earnings are more.

 

Think taiwan salaries are depressed? Just a statement that can only fool those living in a well.

I hear this from taiwan tv news. They even compare salary for taiwanese vs korea and sg. Also even compare with china 1st tier cities. Yet taiwan still the lowest among all.

 

 

 

As u mention thai ladies prefer to work there due to ease in getting permit. Here in sg too much regulation

[Ash2017]

my personal summary

 

unless the ruling party recognized that citizens have grown up and should stop treating citizens like children, eventually they will be in for a rude shock

 

many cannot accept that Malaysia 14th GE will happen here, but if you push citizens too much (SG citizens are less vocal) the coming GE may be worse than that seen in Malaysia, never say never, just like who would believe Malaysia 14th GE.

 

 

maybe not in our lifetime but I believe eventually we will merge with Malaysia be it politically, socially or economically, because the two nations with the current change are becoming more similar

 

 

[Ravinged]

I don't think taiwan salaries are low in general. Heard from a chiongster fren that thai ladies indicate they prefer to "working" in taiwan over singapore these days partly because immigration is easier and potential earnings are more.

 

Think taiwan salaries are depressed? Just a statement that can only fool those living in a well.

 

I think you need to speak to "real workers". I'm talking about professionals, unless you can tell me a country that pegs economic performance to prostitution rates.

 

With all of my Taiwanese friends (a few of them in HR), Taiwanese salaries are declining steadily. Take IT programming/engineering for example, one would have thought the presence of Google data centre there would see significant increase in salaries due to expertise gained. However, it is the complete opposite. For small IT companies, you can now hire fresh IT engineers as low as S$1,500 a month. This is just a little higher than what the fresh IT engineers in Vietnam which is between US$700-US$1000 a month. Not very far off, considering the amount of server hardware factories there are in Taiwan.

 

Spend less time in red light district and see more in the real business world. We know most chongsters are full of bulls**t anyway.

 

[Fcw75]

Just give me back MY CPF money when I turn 55. That’s all I ask.