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Posted 26 August 2018 - 01:13 PM

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This is a good thread as I've similar dilemma as well, cerato or elantra. Test drive both and civic. Liked civic but out of budget. So now deciding between these 2. I feel cerato more "stable" bit pick up elantra slightly better.
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Posted 26 August 2018 - 03:06 PM

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Has anyone considered the elantras:
7 yr free servicing
no need to trade vehicle in
no need to take 7 yr $50,000 loan

point 1 easily worth $2100 ( a yr, $150 each time)
Point 2 worth whatever excess your vehicle can command (I'm personally not bothered because my Civic has just 4 months left)
Point 3 is worth the interest for people like me (who rather pay as much as possible asap) - almost $10,000 total interest

With the above considered, at the minimum the cost of running Elantra is $10k less.
Any thoughts?
I of course would rather take the cerato, it being newer and all. but the extra cost as above is putting me off.
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Posted 26 August 2018 - 03:23 PM

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Has anyone considered the elantras:
7 yr free servicing
no need to trade vehicle in
no need to take 7 yr $50,000 loan

point 1 easily worth $2100 ( a yr, $150 each time)
Point 2 worth whatever excess your vehicle can command (I'm personally not bothered because my Civic has just 4 months left)
Point 3 is worth the interest for people like me (who rather pay as much as possible asap) - almost $10,000 total interest

With the above considered, at the minimum the cost of running Elantra is $10k less.
Any thoughts?
I of course would rather take the cerato, it being newer and all. but the extra cost as above is putting me off.

Point 1 you need top up 3k to get 7yrs servicing instead of 5 yrs.
Point 3 even though u need take loan for cerato to get 7k discount, u can do early redemption but with penalty plus interest paid to date, so still worth it but u need to calculate to compare the overall depreciation with elantra.

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Posted 26 August 2018 - 03:27 PM

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Yeah the Superb is great. Was actually referring to the Octavia 1.0, which has a list price of $99k before nego.

Do check that out as well... Ticks the practicality/vfm boxes for me as well as the k3/elantra with similar power and lower road tax (though slightly higher initial price). Turbo 1.0 engine reliability is a minor question mark but Skoda as a brand has excellent reputation for reliability that mitigates this concern somewhat.

Anyways, cognizant of not wanting to OT further on this thread so can discuss further on Skoda thread if needed.


Owned a VW previously. Apart from the piston crack and DSG issue, I notice that VW’s sensors are very sensitive. Abit abit light up, and got to go workshop or buy your own bod reader to clear fault. Some of them are very persistent . It can get pretty annoying. When it comes to servicing, many workshop would charge a premium just because it’s a Conti. But, no doubt the drive is very very different. 要享受就要接受

This is a good thread as I've similar dilemma as well, cerato or elantra. Test drive both and civic. Liked civic but out of budget. So now deciding between these 2. I feel cerato more "stable" bit pick up elantra slightly better.

Coming from a bigger car, I find it quite a pain to drive the cerato, but I don’t have this feeling when it comes to the Hyundai. Dunno y, although on paper, they are very similar. And cerato is 100kg lighter
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Posted 26 August 2018 - 08:04 PM

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The AMS was introduced to the Elantra to meet our VES 2.0 so as not to get hit by the $10,000 penalty... I don't know the Cerato can meet the neutral band emissions without it since the engine is basically the same unit... perhaps detuning the engine and shifting the torque and power curve was one way, and that be the reason why some of us feel the power lag... despite the 100 kg kerb weight advantage... don't know for sure but just guessing...

Also the new Smartstream system won't come online so fast... it's not very clear exactly what is classified as Smart Stream... there's a lot of marketing speak plus real deliverables... some info in this link: https://www.carscoop...art-stream/amp/

Note that it's unlikely that our normally aspirated 1.6 L engines will get the CVVD or get the new 8-speed wet dual clutch transmission... the CVVD seems to be for the turbo engines...
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Posted 26 August 2018 - 09:53 PM

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Point 1 you need top up 3k to get 7yrs servicing instead of 5 yrs.
Point 3 even though u need take loan for cerato to get 7k discount, u can do early redemption but with penalty plus interest paid to date, so still worth it but u need to calculate to compare the overall depreciation with elantra.

Ah, I see. Still, cost is higher for cerato lah. but if minimal I think worth to whack for the newer design. Elantra looks very dated
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 06:18 AM

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Ah, I see. Still, cost is higher for cerato lah. but if minimal I think worth to whack for the newer design. Elantra looks very dated

 

the outgoing/gone K3, Elantra and Altis ....

the Altis has an external look that is more lasting.
 


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 08:04 AM

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Has anyone considered the elantras:
7 yr free servicing
no need to trade vehicle in
no need to take 7 yr $50,000 loan

point 1 easily worth $2100 ( a yr, $150 each time)
Point 2 worth whatever excess your vehicle can command (I'm personally not bothered because my Civic has just 4 months left)
Point 3 is worth the interest for people like me (who rather pay as much as possible asap) - almost $10,000 total interest

With the above considered, at the minimum the cost of running Elantra is $10k less.
Any thoughts?
I of course would rather take the cerato, it being newer and all. but the extra cost as above is putting me off.

I am considering the tier 2 pricing for the Elantra S
1 year free servicing
6 bid non gteed

$75999, which is a good 5k cheaper than the Cerato EX, and to get the EX at 80999, I need to trade in my car to them at paper ( my body is worth 1k)
So, other total cost savings for the S model is a good $6000

I service outside cheap cheap. 4 bottle of royal purple engine oil $38, oil filter and labour rm50

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 08:14 AM

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Not true service at $150 everytime.
40,000 & 80,000 needs more things to change. E.g transmission fluid.
Kia svc pkg suggest additional items like radiator water, brake fluid, spark plugs etc.
I do practice changing TO & spark plugs at 40k interval.
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 10:36 AM

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Elantra wt = 1340 kg
Fc = 15.6 km/l.

K3 wt = 1220 kg
Fc = 15.1 km/l.

Taken from sgcarmart.
Same engines, 120 kg heavier and more fuel efficient?
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 10:46 AM

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Elantra wt = 1340 kg
Fc = 15.6 km/l.

K3 wt = 1220 kg
Fc = 15.1 km/l.

Taken from sgcarmart.
Same engines, 120 kg heavier and more fuel efficient?

I don't know the math. But fc not just about engine and weight. For 15.6 and 15.1 is quite minor and easily overwrite by user driving style. My car I can get 11.5 to 14, base on my mood
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 10:52 AM

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Noted.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 11:20 AM

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In terms of exterior , interior (got floating tablet) and length of name, Kia Creato Forte K3 wins hands down. But because of VES, K3 plonked in an old engine + gearbox. God is fair.  

 

exterior really?

I have to say that the K3 looks refreshing cos it's brand new design. But probably after seeing it on a few months, just turn into another kia on the road.

 

but i have to say that hands down, the current elantra will still look a nice design 10 years down the road. It's like the mazda 3.

You'll never say that the car looks bad.

Especially if the paintwork is well preserved, it's just a nice looking car for the compact sedan class. Albeit diluted by the sheer number of elantras on the road recently.


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 11:35 AM

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Went to the Skoda thread to read abit. oh the Skoda is a smart looking car. Commands attention & desire just by looking at the pics.

but the prices would mean an upgrade for me.

currently I am just finding a somewhat lateral replacement for my humble Altis to offset coe losses.

 

Yeah the Skoda really raises the vibes.

If ownership cost is no concern, would certainly grab this exotic number.

 

Compliments from bro Carbon82 for the comparison price pic.

 

 

which generation altis u coming from? G11 or G10.

I drove an altis from 2008 to 2015. I can say the elantra is just a lot better in every way lah except for the steering feel which is a bit less precise. but i drove the new altis when i bought the elantra, so i can safely say i don't feel any difference except the altis was a bit more powerful to accelerate (but really who cares with a 1.6L car).


but k3 must really get the SX. the other trims don't even have VSC or 6 airbags 


Elantra wt = 1340 kg
Fc = 15.6 km/l.

K3 wt = 1220 kg
Fc = 15.1 km/l.

Taken from sgcarmart.
Same engines, 120 kg heavier and more fuel efficient?

 

The elantra is so heavy. no wonder FC is quite poor. i only averaging 12+ km/L. Lol same as my altis when i got it in 2008. If i recall, the prev generation was only high 1200+ kg.


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 12:08 PM

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which generation altis u coming from? G11 or G10.
I drove an altis from 2008 to 2015. I can say the elantra is just a lot better in every way lah except for the steering feel which is a bit less precise. but i drove the new altis when i bought the elantra, so i can safely say i don't feel any difference except the altis was a bit more powerful to accelerate (but really who cares with a 1.6L car).

but k3 must really get the SX. the other trims don't even have VSC or 6 airbags


The elantra is so heavy. no wonder FC is quite poor. i only averaging 12+ km/L. Lol same as my altis when i got it in 2008. If i recall, the prev generation was only high 1200+ kg.

Driving the G10, 5 years old. Car is quite ok. But after test drive the civic and SX noticed it is more hollow.
Have a mental block whether to change to SX. Elantra has been around so it don't suit me.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 12:12 PM

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but k3 must really get the SX. the other trims don't even have VSC or 6 airbags


The elantra is so heavy. no wonder FC is quite poor. i only averaging 12+ km/L. Lol same as my altis when i got it in 2008. If i recall, the prev generation was only high 1200+ kg.

Yes agree. VSC or ESC is a basic yet important safety feature that can save life in emergency. Should be included.

Changed my booking from EX to SX for added safety features such as 6 airbags, ESC, hill assist, front n back parking sensors, electrochromatic rear view mirror.👍

Maybe they can add ESC to the basic and mid range trims in future.
Should not that high cost to AD since already with ABS.

Car buyers also willing to pay abit more mah for safety.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 12:18 PM

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Driving the G10, 5 years old. Car is quite ok. But after test drive the civic and SX noticed it is more hollow.
Have a mental block whether to change to SX. Elantra has been around so it don't suit me.

 

g10 should be COE car liao.

G9 is the hipporolla, G10 is the first thai altis. G11 is the older one running around roads which i had. G12 is the current one



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Posted 27 August 2018 - 12:26 PM

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g10 should be COE car liao.
G9 is the hipporolla, G10 is the first thai altis. G11 is the older one running around roads which i had. G12 is the current one

Haha so it is G11. Registered in July 13. 4 speed AT. Think the CVT G12 came out a few months later.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 12:37 PM

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Haha so it is G11. Registered in July 13. 4 speed AT. Think the CVT G12 came out a few months later.

 

ic. B&B cars have come a long way. especially for rear legroom and boot size. The G11 rear legroom is really not good though the cushion for the seats is more comfortable. Better than my elantra


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 02:03 PM

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ic. B&B cars have come a long way. especially for rear legroom and boot size. The G11 rear legroom is really not good though the cushion for the seats is more comfortable. Better than my elantra

Haha so any views to offer.
should I hang on the current car and bear higher operating coe. Or change to KIA Cerato.

Frank thoughts on the Cetato: it has an old engine. The brand seem to cycle its cars very fast, Some models only last 4 years if I am not mistaken.


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