Speed limit 4 PMDs, bicycles to be cut to 10kmh on footpath

[Mustank]

You retroactive?

 

Anyway I kope this chinese article from HWZ post. Just showed a few errant riders means almost all of them..

No lh

No lah

[Ichibawa]

Actually there's a way to solve this problem, which is to build dedicated pathways for PMDs/bicycles

 

There are already such dedicated lanes but pedestrian will walk on bike lane and vice versa so it is useless if people don't abide by the rules. 

[Ichibawa]

Actually I really support the enforcers when I see them going around in Punggol area. These youngsters really bo chup the speed limit, polluting the surrounding with their techno trash, and their blinding lights is so bright it hampers vision momentarily. 

[RogerNg_185295]

That's why accidents always happen. A PMD just need to knock into a big shot and then we will see real enforement action. Right now the penalties cannot solve the root cause.

There are already such dedicated lanes but pedestrian will walk on bike lane and vice versa so it is useless if people don't abide by the rules. 

 

[Beanoyip]

There are already such dedicated lanes but pedestrian will walk on bike lane and vice versa so it is useless if people don't abide by the rules. 

Then they need to look overseas and see how successful other bike paths are.

 

Separate the bike path from the road. 

 

[Mustank]

https://www.facebook.com/326796291122010/posts/669015173566785?s=100003750617052&v=e&sfns=mo

[RogerNg_185295]

Cannot compare like that lah.....Overseas their land area much bigger then singapore. 

Then they need to look overseas and see how successful other bike paths are.

 

Separate the bike path from the road. 

 

 

[Ender]

Then they need to look overseas and see how successful other bike paths are.

 

Separate the bike path from the road.

 

If you watch some of those youtube of bikers complain, alot of pedestrians are straying into the bike lane and vice versa. Again coz it is not enforced, expect graciousness to work which most often don't, except in Japan.

[Ichibawa]

Sometimes I blame the authorities for bad design of the foot path. Punggol Waterway is a very good example. Pedestrian lanes are never on the same side. Sometimes its on the left, at another stretch its on the right. So they expect people to keep cutting from one side to the other? 

[RogerNg_185295]

Sometimes I blame the authorities for bad design of the foot path. Punggol Waterway is a very good example. Pedestrian lanes are never on the same side. Sometimes its on the left, at another stretch its on the right. So they expect people to keep cutting from one side to the other?

Such lanes, when they were constructed, were never for pmd and pedestrians to share. Edited July 10, 2019 by RogerNg_185295

[Volvobrick]

Where's the bus lane in this photo?

 

Add all bus, bike, car lanes will crisscross one another every 30-50 metres ie cars have to cross the bus lane AND the bike lane to turn left but they will block both lanes 

 

Won't work!

 

 

Then they need to look overseas and see how successful other bike paths are.

 

Separate the bike path from the road. 

 

 

[Windwaver]

No let up from the straits times on pmd issue. Another article today.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/call-for-more-to-be-done-against-errant-pmd-users

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/too-fast-and-too-reckless

 

Every rider on a personal mobility device (PMD) broke the speed limit on the footpath. Every single one.

This was what The Sunday Times saw at four locations over three days.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/too-fast-and-too-reckless

 

Every rider on a personal mobility device (PMD) broke the speed limit on the footpath. Every single one.

This was what The Sunday Times saw at four locations over three days.

 

Full article

 

In checks conducted by The Sunday Times, all PMD riders at two locations exceeded the speed limit on footpaths and some were found travelling at more than twice the speed limit. Riders of electric bicycles not only exceeded the speed limit, but they were also seen using footpaths, which are off limits to them.

 

The impact on a pedestrian getting hit by a 65kg rider on a 10kg PMD travelling at the speed limit of 25kmh would be equivalent to being struck by a 10kg sack of rice dropped from the seventh floor of a Housing Board block, said Professor Victor P.W. Shim, an impact mechanics expert at the National University of Singapore's department of mechanical engineering.

 

Impact at 35kmh would be equivalent to being struck by a 10kg sack of rice dropped from the 14th floor of an HDB block.

 

"Consequently, injury is very likely to be severe," said Prof Shim.

 

The types of injury sustained by a pedestrian depend on the person's height said associate professors Elbert Chia and Cheong Siew Ann from the division of physics and applied physics in Nanyang Technological University.

 

The impact is greater if the pedestrian is short, for instance, a child less than 1m in height. This is because the point of impact would be above the child's centre of gravity. "The impact force will probably be on the child's chest or head. This may cause serious internal injuries," said Prof Chia.

 

The elderly are also more vulnerable as they have more brittle bones, he added.

 

The weight of the PMD rider and speed of the PMD at the time of collision are important considerations too. “The heavier the PMD driver and the faster the PMD is, the injury will be worse for the person being hit,” said Prof Chia.

[Yewheng]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/too-fast-and-too-reckless

Every rider on a personal mobility device (PMD) broke the speed limit on the footpath. Every single one.

This was what The Sunday Times saw at four locations over three days.

 

 

Full article

 

In checks conducted by The Sunday Times, all PMD riders at two locations exceeded the speed limit on footpaths and some were found travelling at more than twice the speed limit. Riders of electric bicycles not only exceeded the speed limit, but they were also seen using footpaths, which are off limits to them.

 

The impact on a pedestrian getting hit by a 65kg rider on a 10kg PMD travelling at the speed limit of 25kmh would be equivalent to being struck by a 10kg sack of rice dropped from the seventh floor of a Housing Board block, said Professor Victor P.W. Shim, an impact mechanics expert at the National University of Singapore's department of mechanical engineering.

 

Impact at 35kmh would be equivalent to being struck by a 10kg sack of rice dropped from the 14th floor of an HDB block.

 

"Consequently, injury is very likely to be severe," said Prof Shim.

 

The types of injury sustained by a pedestrian depend on the person's height said associate professors Elbert Chia and Cheong Siew Ann from the division of physics and applied physics in Nanyang Technological University.

 

The impact is greater if the pedestrian is short, for instance, a child less than 1m in height. This is because the point of impact would be above the child's centre of gravity. "The impact force will probably be on the child's chest or head. This may cause serious internal injuries," said Prof Chia.

 

The elderly are also more vulnerable as they have more brittle bones, he added.

 

The weight of the PMD rider and speed of the PMD at the time of collision are important considerations too. “The heavier the PMD driver and the faster the PMD is, the injury will be worse for the person being hit,” said Prof Chia.

Of coz la, 10km/h how not to broke? Even walking is faster then 10km/h. Edited July 10, 2019 by Yewheng

[Beanoyip]

Where's the bus lane in this photo?

 

Add all bus, bike, car lanes will crisscross one another every 30-50 metres ie cars have to cross the bus lane AND the bike lane to turn left but they will block both lanes 

 

Won't work!

When there's bus lanes, there won't be a bike path. There's always a parallel road which doesn't have a bus lane and will have bike path, so PMDs/Cyclist should take that road instead.

 

This is my experience from living overseas

[Beanoyip]

Cannot compare like that lah.....Overseas their land area much bigger then singapore. 

SG wanna go car lite right? Shrink the roads, expand the cycling network..

[Volvobrick]

SG wanna go car lite right? Shrink the roads, expand the cycling network..

Are bikers going to pay for their network? Less cars means less COE, ARF road tax income for the garmen (I think about 10 Bn a year).

 

Don't be taken in by the catchphrase "car lite". Those jokers have no idea what they are talking about and the consequences to the coffer. Only idiots would believe them.eg. Allowing PHV which spend 10 times longer on the road to jam them up.

Edited July 11, 2019 by Volvobrick

[RogerNg_185295]

Say say only mah.....you really believe whatever they say?

SG wanna go car lite right? Shrink the roads, expand the cycling network..

 

[Beregond]

Then they need to look overseas and see how successful other bike paths are.

 

Separate the bike path from the road. 

 

 

this would be very nice.

 

if we have as  much land as them