All About Wines

[Jamesc]

Jamesc's 30 second guide on how not to get ripped off with lousy French wine.

 

The quality of all French wines is actually written on the label and you just need to know how

to read it and its very simple.

 

There are only 3 qualities of wine in France.

 

1. Vin de Table - Table wine and lowest quality

2. Vin de Pays - Country wine and one quality up

3. Appellation Controlee - wine with Guaranteed Quality.

 

So if the waiter offers you a Vin de Pays and an Appellation Controlee at a similar price 

the Appellation Controlee will be the one to choose.

 

These days got so many snooty people that are "experts" in wine and if after one sip they

tell you the Vin de Pays is better than the Appellation Controlee. They are BSing.

 

 

Lowest quality - Vin de Table

 

 

Better quality - Vin de Pays

 

 

Top quality wine - Appellation Controlee

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by Jamesc

[Atonchia]

Jamesc's 30 second guide on how not to get ripped off with lousy French wine.

 

The quality of all French wines is actually written on the label and you just need to know how

to read it and its very simple.

 

There are only 3 qualities of wine in France.

 

1. Vin de Table - Table wine and lowest quality

2. Vin de Pays - Country wine and one quality up

3. Appellation Controlee - wine with Guaranteed Quality.

 

So if the waiter offers you a Vin de Pays and an Appellation Controlee at a similar price

the Appellation Controlee will be the one to choose.

 

These days got so many snooty people that are "experts" in wine and if after one sip they

tell you the Vin de Pays is better than the Appellation Controlee. They are BSing.

 

 

Lowest quality - Vin de Table

 

 

Better quality - Vin de Pays

 

 

Top quality wine - Appellation Controlee

 

Now they call it Vin De France for the lowest level wine?

 

Vin De Pay'doc & Pay'doc still being use interchangeably right? Is same same right?

 

 

Italian classification use DOCG, DOC, IGT and Vdt.

 

 

Spain is DOC, DO, Vino De La Tierra, Vino De Mesa.

 

For Rioja region is Gran Reserva, Reserva and Crianza is by amount of time the wine spent in oak barrel aging.

Edited November 6, 2018 by Atonchia

[Jamesc]

Now they call it Vin De France for the lowest level wine?

 

Vin De Pay'doc & Pay'doc still being use interchangeably right? Is same same right?

 

 

Italian classification use DOCG, DOC, IGT and Vdt.

 

 

Spain is DOC, DO, Vino De La Tierra, Vino De Mesa.

 

For Rioja region is Gran Reserva, Reserva and Crianza is by amount of time the wine spent in oak barrel aging.

 

Vin de Table or Table wine is the lowest classification and is wine that can come from

 

anywhere in France and so I guess can also call it Vin de France or simply French wine.

 

I guess its for International marketing. Tell people its wine made in France and people

 

will say it must be good and pay more for it when its just plonk.

 

Vin de Pays or Country wine will always have a higher quality as Vin de Pays can only

 

come from 6 regions in France. The biggest producer of Vin de Pays is the region of d'Oc

 

and as you say is also known as Pays d'Oc.

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by Jamesc

[Jamesc]

The worse thing that every happened to wine is China.

 

If you do business in China every flipping idiot will ask

 

to drink Lafit Lafit and you can put a Chateau Lafite label on a bottle

 

of the worse wine and they will drink it.

 

All this does is drive up the price for people that appreciate it.

 

CB dumb China men spoil it for everyone else.

 

  

[Theoldjaffa]

The worse thing that every happened to wine is China.

 

If you do business in China every flipping idiot will ask

 

to drink Lafit Lafit and you can put a Chateau Lafite label on a bottle

 

of the worse wine and they will drink it.

 

All this does is drive up the price for people that appreciate it.

 

CB dumb China men spoil it for everyone else.

 

I only know 1982 Lafite is expensive.

 

Learnt it from watching TVB Dramas

[Theoldjaffa]

That's why I say.. those snobs who drink only expensive wines are not true connoisseurs.

 

Give them a blind taste test, I bet they won't be able to tell the difference.

[Angcheek]

Just tried the Chilean wine.

 

19 Crimes Shiraz is like good ristretto. Rich and flavourful.

 

This Chilean Shiraz is like McDonald's normal coffee. Very plain and thin.

 

Don't waste money buying it!

[Atonchia]

That's why I say.. those snobs who drink only expensive wines are not true connoisseurs.

 

Give them a blind taste test, I bet they won't be able to tell the difference.

Takes a real enthusiast to really be able to do blind tasting.

Takes an expert to accurately access the wines.

 

But to blind taste blends will be more difficult than straight varietals.

 

blind tasting have to provide

1) Varietal

2) vintage

3) Country

4) region

5) price range

5) aging potential

 

Judgement if Paris (1976) is the best example of blind tasting.

 

Highly expensive wines may not be rated much higher than a wine 1/10 the price.

[DACH]

Jamesc's 30 second guide on how not to get ripped off with lousy French wine.

 

The quality of all French wines is actually written on the label and you just need to know how

to read it and its very simple.

 

There are only 3 qualities of wine in France.

 

1. Vin de Table - Table wine and lowest quality

2. Vin de Pays - Country wine and one quality up

3. Appellation Controlee - wine with Guaranteed Quality.

 

So if the waiter offers you a Vin de Pays and an Appellation Controlee at a similar price 

the Appellation Controlee will be the one to choose.

 

These days got so many snooty people that are "experts" in wine and if after one sip they

tell you the Vin de Pays is better than the Appellation Controlee. They are BSing.

 

 

Lowest quality - Vin de Table

 

 

Better quality - Vin de Pays

 

 

Top quality wine - Appellation Controlee

 

 

I bet it's always your MIL whom always says Vin De Pays is better.

Aiyo, she needs to drink just green tea. 

[Neutrino]

Jamesc's 30 second guide on how not to get ripped off with lousy French wine.

 

The quality of all French wines is actually written on the label and you just need to know how

to read it and its very simple.

 

There are only 3 qualities of wine in France.

 

1. Vin de Table - Table wine and lowest quality

2. Vin de Pays - Country wine and one quality up

3. Appellation Controlee - wine with Guaranteed Quality.

 

So if the waiter offers you a Vin de Pays and an Appellation Controlee at a similar price 

the Appellation Controlee will be the one to choose.

 

These days got so many snooty people that are "experts" in wine and if after one sip they

tell you the Vin de Pays is better than the Appellation Controlee. They are BSing.

 

 

 

But within your three categories there is a wide range of quality.

 

And no doubt a top quality within one category can be better than low quality within another category.

[Jamesc]

But within your three categories there is a wide range of quality.

 

And no doubt a top quality within one category can be better than low quality within another category.

If you can find a cheap vin de table that has higher quality than an expensive appellation controlee please let us know we all go and buy.

 

[Neutrino]

If you can find a cheap vin de table that has higher quality than an expensive appellation controlee please let us know we all go and buy.

 

Yeah but you are jumping one division.

Not fair.

 

There are so many bad Appellation Controlée wines around.

Can you honestly tell me you haven't tasted a bad one?

 

This is worth a read:

https://anglophone-direct.com/vin-de-pays-and-appellation-controlee-explained/

 

one para:

'At the top end are wines that the vigneron chooses to classify as VDP because it allows him to make a better wine that the AOC rules permit. Some of these wines are the most sought-after and expensive wines of the region e.g. Mas du Daumas-Gassac and La Soula.'

 

and

 

'Therefore many top quality vignerons have chosen to work outside the AOC regulations, usually by making VDP. This means that VDP in the Languedoc-Roussillon is not necessarily of lower quality than an AOC'

 

and

 

'AOC status is not really a guarantee of higher quality, just style. In the Languedoc Roussillon, an AOC wine is not necessarily “better” than a VDP.'

Edited November 9, 2018 by Neutrino

[Jamesc]

Yeah but you are jumping one division.

Not fair.

 

There are so many bad Appellation Controlée wines around.

Can you honestly tell me you haven't tasted a bad one?

 

This is worth a read:

https://anglophone-direct.com/vin-de-pays-and-appellation-controlee-explained/

 

one para:

'At the top end are wines that the vigneron chooses to classify as VDP because it allows him to make a better wine that the AOC rules permit. Some of these wines are the most sought-after and expensive wines of the region e.g. Mas du Daumas-Gassac and La Soula.'

 

and

 

'Therefore many top quality vignerons have chosen to work outside the AOC regulations, usually by making VDP. This means that VDP in the Languedoc-Roussillon is not necessarily of lower quality than an AOC'

 

and

 

'AOC status is not really a guarantee of higher quality, just style. In the Languedoc Roussillon, an AOC wine is not necessarily âbetterâ than a VDP.'

To me all this is just marketing to milk money from the ignorant masses.

 

I just drink what I like.

 

[Neutrino]

To me all this is just marketing to milk money from the ignorant masses.

 

I just drink what I like.

 

 

So do I.

 

But nothing wrong with a little info.

[Contrarian]

I like to go to wine tasting sessions to try some different wines and expand my knowledge. One of the places that I go to quite a lot gives free $20 tasting credits almost every Saturday, and I thought it might be useful to some of us. It's 75cl at 8 Jalan Kilang Barat, and the details you can find on their site. If there's enough interest, maybe one day we can arrange to head there for a free tasting afternoon.

[Jamesc]

I like to go to wine tasting sessions to try some different wines and expand my knowledge. One of the places that I go to quite a lot gives free $20 tasting credits almost every Saturday, and I thought it might be useful to some of us. It's 75cl at 8 Jalan Kilang Barat, and the details you can find on their site. If there's enough interest, maybe one day we can arrange to head there for a free tasting afternoon.

 

I don't want to embarrass myself at this kind of event so

 

I did some research and found very useful info for this man

 

going for a wine tasting. I learn a lot.

 

 

[Atonchia]

I don't want to embarrass myself at this kind of event so

 

I did some research and found very useful info for this man

 

going for a wine tasting. I learn a lot.

 

 

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[Contrarian]

I don't want to embarrass myself at this kind of event so

 

I did some research and found very useful info for this man

 

going for a wine tasting. I learn a lot.

 

 

 

The good news is there's nothing for you to worry about  

They give you a $20 card and a glass, you go to the machines and press whatever wine catches your fancy and let the machine dispense a tasting portion. $20 will get you 3-5 portions depending which wines you pick.