Atrecord Supersonic November 7, 2018 Share November 7, 2018 sleep ? rest ? I drove the bladdy sm1 in Thailand from 8pm to 2am ! STEAM !! Icing on the cake ?? My NVD kaput. Drive purely on commander's commands. wah piang. closed hatch or open hatch? lucky the comms was still working - if need to use guiding stick, then lagi steam when we were in Thailand in 89, got one M113 overturned... ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vratenza Supersonic November 7, 2018 Share November 7, 2018 Not just the driver......You just saved your whole vehicle entourage....... Apart from TSR, the commanders should also exercise good judgement. during ex wallaby, i saw my driver drove so many hours. the rest of us just take turns behind - one person be vehicle commander, the rest coma... so at some point, i told my driver i take over, asked him go and coma. my 2ic also shared the load. we all came back in one piece. i think my driver was very lucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playtime Twincharged November 7, 2018 Share November 7, 2018 sleep ? rest ? I drove the bladdy sm1 in Thailand from 8pm to 2am ! STEAM !! Icing on the cake ?? My NVD kaput. Drive purely on commander's commands. Bro. 8pm to 2am really is nothing for jeep and rover drivers. Even tonners. During battalion ex, 8pm to 2am barely covers a typical bn move or change of con area, and even this excludes admin stuff before and after.. especially when it occurs in the 2nd or 3rd day of exercise. During one ict, trainers wanted all drivers to sign a form every time they drive, stating they had enough sleep... 6 or 8 continuous hours iirc. During debrief, I questioned the trainers who gets so much sleep ? are they trying to push responsibility of fatigue accident to drivers when training schedule is fixed by trainers. If exercise is so packed, whose fault is it that drivers don't get enough sleep. They didn't answer. But next ict, din see the forms anymore. Apart from TSR, the commanders should also exercise good judgement. during ex wallaby, i saw my driver drove so many hours. the rest of us just take turns behind - one person be vehicle commander, the rest coma... so at some point, i told my driver i take over, asked him go and coma. my 2ic also shared the load. we all came back in one piece. i think my driver was very lucky. You are lucky, in many cases, the vehicle only had 1 qualified driver. But life goes on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Twincharged November 7, 2018 Share November 7, 2018 Me and you are lucky. Not all soldiers have the good fortune. Why need to push people so hard? It's only peace time training. If someone dies, saf will investigate etc and wayang. Then it happens again, then investigate again. Why i say wayang? Cos after investigate another soldier will die. Worse is you cannot sue saf Which is why I tell every boy going to NS. Just do enough. Don’t be a hero and injure yourself. Your injury will stay with you for life. Will SAF give a damn? Obviously not! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerNg_185295 6th Gear November 7, 2018 Share November 7, 2018 Which is why I tell every boy going to NS. Just do enough. Donât be a hero and injure yourself. Your injury will stay with you for life. Will SAF give a damn? Obviously not!Some may want to be officers. Just do enough is not enough for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusje Supersonic November 7, 2018 Share November 7, 2018 Bro. 8pm to 2am really is nothing for jeep and rover drivers. Even tonners. During battalion ex, 8pm to 2am barely covers a typical bn move or change of con area, and even this excludes admin stuff before and after.. especially when it occurs in the 2nd or 3rd day of exercise. During one ict, trainers wanted all drivers to sign a form every time they drive, stating they had enough sleep... 6 or 8 continuous hours iirc. During debrief, I questioned the trainers who gets so much sleep ? are they trying to push responsibility of fatigue accident to drivers when training schedule is fixed by trainers. If exercise is so packed, whose fault is it that drivers don't get enough sleep. They didn't answer. But next ict, din see the forms anymore. You are lucky, in many cases, the vehicle only had 1 qualified driver. But life goes on. You asked good questions. But did the drivers sign it? If I am the driver, I won't sign and I will report them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Twincharged November 7, 2018 Share November 7, 2018 (edited) Some may want to be officers. Just do enough is not enough for them.Officer? Big deal. Who cares what rank you hold as a nsf. HahahhahahhahahhahaaYa .. have seen some of these LJ forms before required by trainers. They just want to put some NSman's names on it. Anything wrong, blame on NSman. It's just Sim Lim Square mode of operation, goods sold are not returnable, no refund, no exchange once they leave the store. Anything wrong not my pasa.Which is why I continually ask why do we feed all this jiak liao bee saf people after they have retired! Giving them positions in smrt, pub, st and so on. All they know is to cover their own backside. Anyway the rot starts from the top! Edited November 7, 2018 by Mkl22 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopites Supersonic November 7, 2018 Share November 7, 2018 Bro. 8pm to 2am really is nothing for jeep and rover drivers. Even tonners. During battalion ex, 8pm to 2am barely covers a typical bn move or change of con area, and even this excludes admin stuff before and after.. especially when it occurs in the 2nd or 3rd day of exercise. During one ict, trainers wanted all drivers to sign a form every time they drive, stating they had enough sleep... 6 or 8 continuous hours iirc. During debrief, I questioned the trainers who gets so much sleep ? are they trying to push responsibility of fatigue accident to drivers when training schedule is fixed by trainers. If exercise is so packed, whose fault is it that drivers don't get enough sleep. They didn't answer. But next ict, din see the forms anymore. You are lucky, in many cases, the vehicle only had 1 qualified driver. But life goes on. Qualified driver yes one. VC, 21C and spare gunner also licenced to drive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrecord Supersonic November 7, 2018 Share November 7, 2018 Not just the driver......You just saved your whole vehicle entourage....... yah all lucky all lucky. maybe now 30 yr later ask everyone to buy me dinner 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrecord Supersonic November 7, 2018 Share November 7, 2018 Bro. 8pm to 2am really is nothing for jeep and rover drivers. Even tonners. During battalion ex, 8pm to 2am barely covers a typical bn move or change of con area, and even this excludes admin stuff before and after.. especially when it occurs in the 2nd or 3rd day of exercise. During one ict, trainers wanted all drivers to sign a form every time they drive, stating they had enough sleep... 6 or 8 continuous hours iirc. During debrief, I questioned the trainers who gets so much sleep ? are they trying to push responsibility of fatigue accident to drivers when training schedule is fixed by trainers. If exercise is so packed, whose fault is it that drivers don't get enough sleep. They didn't answer. But next ict, din see the forms anymore. You are lucky, in many cases, the vehicle only had 1 qualified driver. But life goes on. True that jeep and rover drivers are not as siong as tank or m113 drivers. for one, jeep/rovers got enough ventilation. tank/APC all sauna inside if tactical and closed-hatch. si bey noisy too. Recipe to drive one crazy when long hours. Then the CVC helmet is heavy and hot. Plus if tactical, will be staring at either bino in the day or NVD in the night. easy to concussion... In our case, the section commanders and section 2ICs of every vehicle are also supposedly qualified to drive the m113. for PC and SGT vehicle, the 2 of them also can drive. in training ground that is. Convoy then only the vocational drivers can drive. so you're right. we were lucky. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picnic06-Biante15 Supersonic November 7, 2018 Share November 7, 2018 I do not know about SCDF but in the SAF, the top people are always well protected, no matter whether they are directly or indirectly related to any death of a soldier. The top means COL and above rank. Yup..... Their parachute made of cow-hide and at the end of their SAF career, parachute into a GRC or GIC ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beregond Supersonic November 9, 2018 Share November 9, 2018 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/bionix-accident-photos-scdf-police-report-nsfs-liu-kai-10912338?fbclid=IwAR1F5Nl986wSBIKgM-2tbmIQnZ2roPi7wo7QqoM2rV4Gs2Q4G5ffPnjqAP4 Leaked photo of Bionix accident: SCDF files police report against 5 NSFsRead more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/bionix-accident-photos-scdf-police-report-nsfs-liu-kai-10912338 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weez911 Supersonic November 9, 2018 Share November 9, 2018 官官相护, 党同伐异、狼狈为奸、结党营私、朋比为奸、诛除异己 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playtime Twincharged November 9, 2018 Share November 9, 2018 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/bionix-accident-photos-scdf-police-report-nsfs-liu-kai-10912338?fbclid=IwAR1F5Nl986wSBIKgM-2tbmIQnZ2roPi7wo7QqoM2rV4Gs2Q4G5ffPnjqAP4 Leaked photo of Bionix accident: SCDF files police report against 5 NSFs Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/bionix-accident-photos-scdf-police-report-nsfs-liu-kai-10912338 Knn... I say these 5 folks did more for their dead comrade than anything else, at least people know what happened. If not, even now will also no hear no trail what happened. Imagine the parents reportedly only knew their sons death from Facebook. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othello Supersonic November 9, 2018 Share November 9, 2018 wah piang. closed hatch or open hatch? lucky the comms was still working - if need to use guiding stick, then lagi steam when we were in Thailand in 89, got one M113 overturned... ATEC leh, closed hatch. In unfamiliar and pitch black terrain, night movement ending with dawn attack (Fire base) + I'm a gunner by training. Before that, I hardly drove ...... If comms down, I think will declare veh down sia. Too dangerous. At night how to see guiding stick ? But anyway, even if tank overturn, the driver and gunner is the safest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playtime Twincharged November 9, 2018 Share November 9, 2018 ATEC leh, closed hatch. In unfamiliar and pitch black terrain, night movement ending with dawn attack (Fire base) + I'm a gunner by training. Before that, I hardly drove ...... If comms down, I think will declare veh down sia. Too dangerous. At night how to see guiding stick ? But anyway, even if tank overturn, the driver and gunner is the safest No bottom hatch right?Theoretically is possible turtle in soft ground cannot get out? Can die of thirst? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tkseah Supercharged November 9, 2018 Share November 9, 2018 Why is it scdf report police n not mindef charge the nsfs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafansu Turbocharged November 9, 2018 Share November 9, 2018 (edited) Why is it scdf report police n not mindef charge the nsfs? should be a criminal offence likely under official secrets act under the Singapore statutes, so investigation under the Police while MINDEF will be internal disciplinary in consultation with the Police after the court case. Edited November 9, 2018 by Dafansu ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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