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Posted 28 January 2019 - 10:17 PM

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Hi all

 

Need some professional advice.

 

Staying on ground floor unit condo.  

 

I wish to install a retractable canopy over my PES.  I check with Mgt office.  Well, i was advised to check with BCA on approved ones and also to wrote to MCST for permission. And i might be asked to present during AGM.

 

The mgt office advised me to do it concurrently so that if the MCST ask for BCA advice or approved types of canopy.

 

I'm thinking, instead of getting info from BCA, can i just ask some professional advice from canopy contractors on restrictions? 

 

If yes, any one can recommend any contractor for this?

 

How can i deal with MCST ppl?  LOL



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Posted 28 January 2019 - 10:34 PM

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Should be the retractable type ..... what have the others ground floor units done ..... just follow them and check the colors ....nowadays all this esthetics things very important as in with window grilles.... old condo more lenient ,newer and larger projects more tnc’s
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Posted 28 January 2019 - 11:15 PM

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Should be the retractable type ..... what have the others ground floor units done ..... just follow them and check the colors ....nowadays all this esthetics things very important as in with window grilles.... old condo more lenient ,newer and larger projects more tnc’s

 

its a pretty new condo.  no other units did this.  Some install those big roller blinds which is v ugly. 

 

i'm doing it coz of esthetics and safety purpose. 

 

So i will be the first to submit this for approval.  And i better get my facts right first.

 

so i need to talk to someone who knows about this



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Posted 28 January 2019 - 11:29 PM

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its a pretty new condo.  no other units did this.  Some install those big roller blinds which is v ugly. 

 

i'm doing it coz of esthetics and safety purpose. 

 

So i will be the first to submit this for approval.  And i better get my facts right first.

 

so i need to talk to someone who knows about this

your MCST may not know what need to apply permit a what not, they are just guessing. Awning of certain size does not require permit from BCA. But your MCST may want you to confirm to certain model and color. You can google for awning contractor and get them to go onsite to give you a quote and also ask for advice. I nearly did one last year but shelved my plan.   


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Posted 28 January 2019 - 11:32 PM

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Must it be retractable? It's difficult for 1 owner to talk to MCST.

 

BTW, since it is a new condo, I think MCST hasn't been set up yet and the managing agent is appointed by the developer? If so, I suggest you band together with the other PES units to get it approved - this is the best time to do so as other itchy backside and green-eyed unit owners can't influence the MA.


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Mine is done up like this.
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Posted 28 January 2019 - 11:41 PM

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your MCST may not know what need to apply permit a what not, they are just guessing. Awning of certain size does not require permit from BCA. But your MCST may want you to confirm to certain model and color. You can google for awning contractor and get them to go onsite to give you a quote and also ask for advice. I nearly did one last year but shelved my plan.   

 

BCA permit is for fixed cover only right? I think retractable don't need.

 

For fixed awning, you are right and need to get BCA approval if it is above a certain size - application fee also not cheap but can be shared with neighbors if done as a batch and by same contractor. By right, the awning also needs to be fireproof certified which will be additional cost as well.


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Posted 28 January 2019 - 11:53 PM

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If yours is a new condo, the Developer will be the mcst until such time the resident is ready to elect their own.

MCST can only decide on Aesthetic, for engg and technical matter, you will need QP to approve if you are erecting something above the BCA guide.

The current MA is appointed by the current MCST which is the developer.

The few thing you can do

1) ask the developer to provide the drawing that standardised all the awning n trellis design, they still have all the QP n archetic with them. This will be the approve drawing that save all a lot of money.

2) gather the same block to applied the BCA permit together.....you save money too. The application is by per block. I

3) read up the BCA guide. If I remember correct, if it is less than 2 or 3 m from wall, no need special permit.
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Posted 29 January 2019 - 12:00 AM

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noted that you mention your neighbour installed roller blind.

If your awning is extended into common area, there may be a problem.

Also if your Awning is not MCST(developer) pre approve design e.g., the pre approve design are Trellis than you want to be special and go make a blink blink awning, than they can ask you to tear down as there is no uniformity and it was not an approve design.

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 12:05 AM

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Must it be retractable? It's difficult for 1 owner to talk to MCST.

 

BTW, since it is a new condo, I think MCST hasn't been set up yet and the managing agent is appointed by the developer? If so, I suggest you band together with the other PES units to get it approved - this is the best time to do so as other itchy backside and green-eyed unit owners can't influence the MA.


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Mine is done up like this.

 

Nice, that gives you a lot more usable space. is yours Lean-To-Extension roofing using composite panels ? If i am correct, as long as there is no reinforced concrete , there is no BCA permit required?  meaning your does not need BCA permit, or I am wrong? 


 

Must it be retractable? It's difficult for 1 owner to talk to MCST.

 

BTW, since it is a new condo, I think MCST hasn't been set up yet and the managing agent is appointed by the developer? If so, I suggest you band together with the other PES units to get it approved - this is the best time to do so as other itchy backside and green-eyed unit owners can't influence the MA.


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Mine is done up like this.

 

Nice, that gives you a lot more usable space. is yours Lean-To-Extension roofing using composite panels ? If i am correct, as long as there is no reinforced concrete , there is no BCA permit required?  meaning your does not need BCA permit, or I am wrong? 



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Posted 29 January 2019 - 12:36 AM

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You can look up the guide from BCA site


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Application For Structural Plan Approval And Permit To Commence Structural Works

Building Works not Requiring Structural Approval or Permit

Certain types of works do not require structural plan approval or a permit to carry out structural works from the Commissioner of Building Control. For details of this exemption, please refer to the first schedule of the Building Control Regulations as appended here:

FIRST SCHEDULE

Insignificant Building Works

1. Building works carried out for or in connection with —
(a) site formation works involving any excavation or filling not exceeding 1,500 millimetres in depth or height;
(b) any shaft, manhole, trench or tunnel for the purpose of laying sewer, water or other utility pipes, where the pipe does not exceed 1,000 millimetres in
internal diameter, and where the building works are not located within the site of other building works that are not specified in this Schedule;
© any boundary wall, boundary fence or gate;
(d) any awning, windowhood or cantilevered roof constructed of tiles, and having a projection not exceeding 1,400 millimetres
(e) any awning, windowhood or cantilevered roof constructed of lightweight material, or glass not exceeding a thickness of 13 millimetres, and having a
horizontal projection not exceeding 3,000 millimetres;
(f) any single storey open-sided shelter, gazebo and the like (whether erected on the ground or on a roof), not exceeding an area of 10 square metres;
(fa) any trellis;
(g) any canal or drain not exceeding 1,500 millimetres in depth;
(h) any box culvert with a span not exceeding 5,000 millimetres and a depth not exceeding 1,500 millimetres;
(i) any stall or shed of lightweight material within any premises used for the purpos

Unquote

Take note of item D and E

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 12:37 AM

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Another thing that could be of interest is to seal up the entire area. Many of my neighbors have done so - I'll try to get a pic another day.

 

I got a quote and it will cost approx 10k but it's worth it if you need the extra space. Total 20kish (10k for awning, 10k for closing up).


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Posted 29 January 2019 - 12:44 AM

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Must it be retractable? It's difficult for 1 owner to talk to MCST.

BTW, since it is a new condo, I think MCST hasn't been set up yet and the managing agent is appointed by the developer? If so, I suggest you band together with the other PES units to get it approved - this is the best time to do so as other itchy backside and green-eyed unit owners can't influence the MA.
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Mine is done up like this.



Very nice......mine similar.
We gather about 30 units and manage to push developer to give us the approved drawing.
We then engage one common contractor to help us built and do all the paper work with the gov agency.

Another thing that could be of interest is to seal up the entire area. Many of my neighbors have done so - I'll try to get a pic another day.

I got a quote and it will cost approx 10k but it's worth it if you need the extra space. Total 20kish (10k for awning, 10k for closing up).


Must be careful with enclosing......URA will not allow glass enclosure.

For my case, we manage to get the approve drawing from developer. It’s lourve design, so it is ok

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 08:04 AM

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I always thought that no one can install anything that affects the facade of the condo building?

 

 



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This is interesting, your MA don't know and ask you to check with BCA? How did the other install those blind leh?

The developer is the administrator of the MCST for 12 months till the 1st AGM, once the house rules are set, then that set the tone for future. BCA only comes in if you extend beyond your strata unit.

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Another thing that could be of interest is to seal up the entire area. Many of my neighbors have done so - I'll try to get a pic another day.

I got a quote and it will cost approx 10k but it's worth it if you need the extra space. Total 20kish (10k for awning, 10k for closing up).

Is the sealed up an approved addition? May not though. So check before you do likewise before you are asked to tear down in future.

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I always thought that no one can install anything that affects the facade of the condo building?


That is why must get an approved drawing from the developer.
They will standardised the design.

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 11:41 AM

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Is the sealed up an approved addition? May not though. So check before you do likewise before you are asked to tear down in future.

 

BCA (or URA) doesn't allow for sealing up. Supposed to have some ventilation (louver like?). Also needs to be MCST approved.

 

Just install louver, inside the house get some screw on acrylic sheets. If anyone wanna check, stall them then unscrew the acrylic sheets.

 

Problem is that such a set up will get very dirty. Not just dust but mold and moss so you need to unscrew and clean it often.

 

URA regulations is dead one - just need to learn to think out of the box. I'm actually surprised that no developer has tried to be funny (at least I haven't heard) after URA disallowed dual keys to ECs


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I'm actually surprised that no developer has tried to be funny (at least I haven't heard) after URA disallowed dual keys to ECs

I heard of someone sold his dual key with handsome profit as these become a rare item.

Ground floor Patio n TOP floor are sough after prize units in every development

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URA is the one regulating installation of awnings/canopies over ground floor patio, which they term as a Private Enclosed Space

https://www.ura.gov....rculars/dc14-03

If the awning is not more than 2m depth, no need permission. Also the Private Enclosed Space cannot be er.....’enclosed’. Strange that they term it Enclosed Space then.
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URA is the one regulating installation of awnings/canopies over ground floor patio, which they term as a Private Enclosed Space

https://www.ura.gov....rculars/dc14-03

If the awning is not more than 2m depth, no need permission. Also the Private Enclosed Space cannot be er.....’enclosed’. Strange that they term it Enclosed Space then.

True but for MCST, you need to get council to approve. It affect the development facade. Just imagine a development with multi color and different shape awnings.  




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