Progress Singapore Party by Tan Cheng Bock

[TangoCharlie]

It is not painful if you are talking sense and being factual. Our short memories remember JBJ and Chee, but they were making false accusations and telling lies. PAP never drag citizens out from their homes at midnight, torture them, jail them, sue them if they have the facts. Besides, look at the nonsense being written in this forum. Documented for the world to read. The curses, vulgarity and name calling and mis-information fakenews shared by the anti-pap gang. No freedom of expression or viewpoints? Think again.

 

The real issue is that few talented, committed citizens willing to endure the ungrateful masses. Add the small population and pareto's principle, and the talent pool is really small.

 

Are you willing to work for the poor, and yet receive curses and accusations like those slung about by some chaps in this forum? Are you willing to endure the scrutiny of social media keyboard warriors? Those with a bone to pick and unreasonable entitled demands?

 

To be minister material need track record of academic plus work performance plus moral character under scrutiny. For most of us, we cannot even get to work on time or turn in projects to excellence standards, so no need to bad mouth the ministers.

 

You point finger, your three other fingers pointing at yourself.

 

Let's hear from the anti-pap complainers about their sacrifices and achievements. Being different is easy. Being better is very difficult, according to Apple Chief Designer.

Go read the book by Ms Teo Soh Lung before you made such sweeping statement about midnight arrest , torture....blah blah blah.

[Piyopico]

The top 20% and bottom 20% supports the incumbent.

 

Every election we see a battle of mind, fair or otherwise, to get the most out of the remaining 60%.......

 

Even if you get one third of the 60% you are good to go..... for 5 more years....

 

Rinse and repeat........

[RogerNg_185295]

The top 20% and bottom 20% supports the incumbent.

 

Every election we see a battle of mind, fair or otherwise, to get the most out of the remaining 60%.......

 

Even if you get one third of the 60% you are good to go..... for 5 more years....

 

Rinse and repeat........

What to do? The majority wins. We have to make do with it

[Freeder]

You asked why are they paid millions, and I explained the merits of paying the market worth. You asked why are there so many ministers to run a small country, i explained that the number of ministers should be judged by the achievement of the country, to know whether the number is too high or not.

 

In the end, all of us wants a better lives, it is just a matter of different perspective. I shall rest my case.

Before I rest my case , I summarize for u..

FFS , conservatively 83% of the current ministars really CMI.. Paid millions but mediocre performance if wan to compare with Private sector KPI benchmark..

Current success were painstakingly carved out by the previous batch of gungho ministers..

Current are JLB ministars who only know how to JJWW n say things that make us TL..

Hard & Sad Truths...

Amen

[Ash2017]

I have given up, the blinded supporters, even if I were to fly them around the earth on space shuttle, after the trip, they will still insist the earth is as flat as pancake.

 

You throw scientific measurements and photos, they selectively look at the 2D photo and look you in the eye and tell you, see "proof the earth is flat".

 

Singaporeans are schizophrenics between frog in the well syndrome and Helsinki Syndrome.

 

No hope.

[Philipkee]

I actually have another weird question. Maybe for @ingenius or anyone can answer.

 

Why did it come to pass that only the top can be politicians? I mean I can understand paying millions for ministers because a CEO earning millions would not want a pay cut to join politics.

 

But why must we be targeting those high flyers? Why not just those with the heart to serve? After all, even if the ministers are "mediocre", they have the best minds of the the civil service under them to guide them.

 

You have a doctor in charge of ministry of defence. Where is the relevance? A normal scholar or average Joe would have the same experience....... And if you are arguing playing politics or being firm, I don't think you need to be the best of the best to do that.

 

Of cos I am not saying you rope in idiots but even if they did, they would be booted out pretty fast.

[Albeniz]

For many many years, we have been relying on SP (previously PUB) as the ONE and ONLY source of electrical power supply.

 

Recently, many realised that alternative power companies could also provide quality electrical power at a fraction of the cost.

 

Like-wise in the political arena， we have been over-paying all these while and it's time to consider switching to alternative parties, to break the monopoly.

[Ash2017]

I try

 

would an uneducated person question a big professor in University 

 

would a repeated bankrupt person question the world's consistent investor, Warren

 

would the ordinary citizen question an elite who earns thousands times more (didn't an MP said if Minister salary lower than the CEO, he may be looked down upon and how to talk to the CEO eye to eye level)

 

those days where bread and butter issues were of the highest agenda in the minds of the people are over and hence grassroot type of ministers 

today is different

 

 

I actually have another weird question. Maybe for @ingenius or anyone can answer.

Why did it come to pass that only the top can be politicians? I mean I can understand paying millions for ministers because a CEO earning millions would not want a pay cut to join politics.

But why must we be targeting those high flyers? Why not just those with the heart to serve? After all, even if the ministers are "mediocre", they have the best minds of the the civil service under them to guide them.

You have a doctor in charge of ministry of defence. Where is the relevance? A normal scholar or average Joe would have the same experience....... And if you are arguing playing politics or being firm, I don't think you need to be the best of the best to do that.

Of cos I am not saying you rope in idiots but even if they did, they would be booted out pretty fast.

 

[Chongster]

I actually have another weird question. Maybe for @ingenius or anyone can answer.

 

Why did it come to pass that only the top can be politicians? I mean I can understand paying millions for ministers because a CEO earning millions would not want a pay cut to join politics.

 

But why must we be targeting those high flyers? Why not just those with the heart to serve? After all, even if the ministers are "mediocre", they have the best minds of the the civil service under them to guide them.

 

You have a doctor in charge of ministry of defence. Where is the relevance? A normal scholar or average Joe would have the same experience....... And if you are arguing playing politics or being firm, I don't think you need to be the best of the best to do that.

 

Of cos I am not saying you rope in idiots but even if they did, they would be booted out pretty fast.

it is actually not PAP's argument that they are paying top $ to attract top talent. just look at poor Edwin Tong having to justify to his mother-in-law why he took a pay cut.  and i dare say they are clearly smart enough to know that high pay in itself doesn't stop corruption.  

 

what the PAP is saying is that they have already identified the person they want - through whatever criteria they laid down - and having invited the person to the fabled tea party whatever - they don't want pay to keep coming up as the excuse or issue.  The pay thing is really a patch to a flaw in the system that they have created.  

 

so i think the pay thing is a red herring, it's the system of a select few selecting the few good men that bears examining; and what is more worrying is that the system itself is not working well.  They are hardly getting anywhere near the best Singapore can offer.  

[Fcw75]

For many many years, we have been relying on SP (previously PUB) as the ONE and ONLY source of electrical power supply.

 

Recently, many realised that alternative power companies could also provide quality electrical power at a fraction of the cost.

 

Like-wise in the political arenaï¼ we have been over-paying all these while and it's time to consider switching to alternative parties, to break the monopoly.

Actually this is not a good example. SP is still the only one providing the electricity.

[Victor68]

i believe 100% that the PAP is honest when they said they were having difficulties attracting the people they want, and many who turned them down had raise pay as an issue or an excuse.

 

but this outcome is simply the logical consequence of the system they had created, which makes politics so exclusive, so painful for the dissenting, and which depends on leaders being chosen by the few kingmakers, rather than rising organically from below. The whole idea that you have to go out there and invite people to lead politically is an anomaly, and this anomaly is created by the very people who lament about good people being hard to come by.

'Good people' definition leh? Absolute yes man and background profile meet safety net? Will not fight for leadership and willing to play 2nd supporting role to always support what leader want?

 

Remuneration is definitely attractive because it is instant millionaire one way or another. 1st is CEO in some GLC or controlled company, then next into GRC as MP. Cannot make it, back to CEO again. I am sure got takers mah.

[Weez911]

Are Lee Bee Wah and Chee Hong Tat posting in the previous few pages? These are lines very similar to what they have been peddling.

[Chongster]

'Good people' definition leh? Absolute yes man and background profile meet safety net? Will not fight for leadership and willing to play 2nd supporting role to always support what leader want?

 

Remuneration is definitely attractive because it is instant millionaire one way or another. 1st is CEO in some GLC or controlled company, then next into GRC as MP. Cannot make it, back to CEO again. I am sure got takers mah.

K Shanmugam definitely take a huge pay cut. Ng Eng Hen probably too. These are the professionals.

 

The stat boarders like Tharman and Lawrence Wong, not so sure. Maybe lah, but maybe not as big.

 

The generals? I really don’t know, maybe the MGs and LGs, but the BGs? And I believe that is a fairly short career Before they move on.

 

The civil servants and principal secretaries? Not sure what they are pulling in but ministership seems a natural career progression for them.

 

 

The union people? I imagine Lim Swee Say giggling each time he sees his pay.

 

I don’t think we have a true private sector captain of industry or an entrepreneur as yet...

 

So I think the pay is probably good enough for some, and definitely still not able to compensate for others.

 

But politics is a calling, and people just don’t do it for pay.

Are Lee Bee Wah and Chee Hong Tat posting in the previous few pages? These are lines very similar to what they have been peddling.

I thought it was Goh chok tong posting anonymously about getting scolded!!!

[Freeder]

For many many years, we have been relying on SP (previously PUB) as the ONE and ONLY source of electrical power supply.

 

Recently, many realised that alternative power companies could also provide quality electrical power at a fraction of the cost.

 

Like-wise in the political arena， we have been over-paying all these while and it's time to consider switching to alternative parties, to break the monopoly.

 

Singapore is a small small country..

Why must make it so complex with all these sub sub suppliers...

Really face palm to the max..

Next will be Gas , Water n Air

[Victor68]

K Shanmugam definitely take a huge pay cut. Ng Eng Hen probably too. These are the professionals.

 

The stat boarders like Tharman and Lawrence Wong, not so sure. Maybe lah, but maybe not as big.

 

The generals? I really don’t know, maybe the MGs and LGs, but the BGs? And I believe that is a fairly short career Before they move on.

 

The civil servants and principal secretaries? Not sure what they are pulling in but ministership seems a natural career progression for them.

 

 

The union people? I imagine Lim Swee Say giggling each time he sees his pay.

 

I don’t think we have a true private sector captain of industry or an entrepreneur as yet...

 

So I think the pay is probably good enough for some, and definitely still not able to compensate for others.

 

But politics is a calling, and people just don’t do it for pay.

I thought it was Goh chok tong posting anonymously about getting scolded!!!

To be fair to these people who suffers lost of income. They should declare before becoming minister asset and then we track how much they suffer. Didnt know so many specialist doctors are multi millionaire or billionaire although most are millionaire.

 

I sincerely hope people are getting into politics to serve and not to be rich.

[Sdf4786k]

Yes. The last PE should be a wake up call for many but really, so long as we all have a job and food on the table, we should be grateful, so says the wise man.

 

In case I am accused of being ungrateful, I really am appreciative of the old guards who gave us so much and took so little.

 

this should be interesting then. Endorsement from an old guard

 

Goh Chok Tong asserts George Yeo is back with the Aljunied Team

 

http://theindependent.sg/goh-chok-tong-says-george-yeo-is-back-with-the-aljunied-team-a-cryptic-comment/

 

but the internet never forgets.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okVucyCXIX0

 

for those that are affected by the decision. Its anyone's guess if ownself should blame ownself instead.

[Xeryh]

I have given up, the blinded supporters, even if I were to fly them around the earth on space shuttle, after the trip, they will still insist the earth is as flat as pancake.

 

You throw scientific measurements and photos, they selectively look at the 2D photo and look you in the eye and tell you, see "proof the earth is flat".

 

Singaporeans are schizophrenics between frog in the well syndrome and Helsinki Syndrome.

 

No hope.

I suppose you are referring to blind supporters from both sides? Or only blind supporters for one?

[Xeryh]

I actually have another weird question. Maybe for @ingenius or anyone can answer.

 

Why did it come to pass that only the top can be politicians? I mean I can understand paying millions for ministers because a CEO earning millions would not want a pay cut to join politics.

 

But why must we be targeting those high flyers? Why not just those with the heart to serve? After all, even if the ministers are "mediocre", they have the best minds of the the civil service under them to guide them.

 

You have a doctor in charge of ministry of defence. Where is the relevance? A normal scholar or average Joe would have the same experience....... And if you are arguing playing politics or being firm, I don't think you need to be the best of the best to do that.

 

Of cos I am not saying you rope in idiots but even if they did, they would be booted out pretty fast.

Actually I thought there are MPs like Tin Peiling who aren’t high flyers but work really hard on the ground and got the support that they had today. So you don’t need high flyers to be an MP.

 

But I don’t really know about the rest of the Mps to say if she’s the odd one out or the norm.. haha