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LTA and SMRT must be thinking even their trial run of the new signal system back then, also never have such a serious damage collision?!  [rolleyes]Even though SMRT resulted a collision between trains during the new signal system. But the damage on the HK MTR collision is quite serious as compared with SMRT collision! Luckily no passengers on board the HK MTR train. Think LTA and SMRT would tell us dont always say HK MTR is reliable, good and safe.  [laugh]

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LTA and SMRT must be thinking even their trial run of the new signal system back then, also never have such a serious damage collision?!  [rolleyes]Even though SMRT resulted a collision between trains during the new signal system. But the damage on the HK MTR collision is quite serious as compared with SMRT collision! Luckily no passengers on board the HK MTR train. Think LTA and SMRT would tell us dont always say HK MTR is reliable, good and safe.  [laugh]

wondering who was the supplier of their new signal systems? Maybe kena sabo.

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wondering who was the supplier of their new signal systems? Maybe kena sabo.

 

https://www.asiaone.com/china/signalling-system-blamed-hong-kong-mtr-collision-was-also-behind-2017-crash-joo-koon-station

Signalling system blamed for Hong Kong MTR collision was also behind 2017 crash at Joo Koon station on Singapore MRT

 

SUM LOK-KEI AND GARY CHEUNG
 
Mar 18, 2019

 

The signalling system believed to be at fault for Monday morning's MTR train collision was also behind a crash on Singapore's network that injured 38 people.

Hong Kong Federation of Railway Trade Unions chairman Lam Wai-keung said the trains had crashed while running the system, developed by French company Thales, known as SelTrac.

 

SelTrac, also known as communications-based train control (CBTC), was installed on Singapore's East West MRT line. In late 2017, two trains collided at the line's Joo Koon station while carrying passengers.

 

According to the Singaporean government's Land Transport Authority, the collision was caused by a "software logic issue" that prevented communication between equipment on board the train and trackside.

 

Thales was said to have fixed the issue in 2017.

Lam said the incident on Monday had not been the worst case scenario, as the trains were travelling at a low speed.

"The driver did what he should have, including trying to stop the train," he said.

1. WHAT IS THE MTR'S NEW SIGNALLING SYSTEM? WHO IS THE SIGNALLING SYSTEM SUPPLIER? 

In 2015, the MTR Corp spent HK$3.3 billion (S$568 million) upgrading the signalling systems on seven lines, including the Tsuen Wan line, where the crash happened on Monday.

The other six lines are Island, Kwun Tong, Tseung Kwan O, Disney, Tung Chung and the Airport Express.

As part of the Sha Tin to Central rail link project, the signalling system on the East Rail line, which runs between Hung Hom in Kowloon and Lo Wu in the New Territories, was also to be replaced.

The upgrade on the Tsuen Wan Line was supposed to be completed late last year, while that on the East Rail line was scheduled to be completed this year.

Thales and a consortium it leads, Alstom, were awarded the contract to resignal and upgrade the systems on seven lines.

Thales and Alstom are responsible for the replacement of the existing signalling system including Automatic Train Supervision (ATS), interlocking, and Automatic Train Control (ATC) in the control centre, trains and stations. Thales provides the SelTrac CBTC system.

A maintenance option is also included in the contract. The project will equip the seven MTR lines with the latest CBTC technology, safely adding capacity, reliability and maintainability on the existing infrastructure system.

The consortium says CBTC is the latest generation of technology for metro and suburban rail networks. It gives operators precise control in the movement of their trains, allowing them to run at higher frequencies and speeds in total safety - with or without drivers.

2. IS THE SELTRAC SIGNALLING SYSTEM INSTALLED IN TRAIN NETWORKS IN OTHER COUNTRIES?

The system was also installed on Singapore's East West MRT line.

On November 15, 2017, two trains collided at Joo Koon station while carrying passengers, injuring 38 people.

According to Thales' official website, the London Underground is using SelTrac CBTC to modernise its signalling infrastructure on the Jubilee and Northern line upgrades.

3. WHERE IS THE NEW SIGNALLING SYSTEM BEING TESTED? 

Tests of the system are currently being conducted on the Tsuen Wan line and East Rail line between the last train of the day and the first train of the next day, between 2am and 5am.

Lam said on Monday, that the crash happened during a test simulating services during peak hours, with trains travelling in close distances.

Apart from the driver, Lam said other employees are usually on board to record data for further analysis. He said no one else had been on board on Monday.

4. WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE NEW AND OLD SIGNALLING SYSTEMS? 

The new system was supposed to help the MTR Corp increase train frequency and capacity, as well as reduce faults.

In a document provided to the Legislative Council in 2017, the railway firm said the new system was more reliable than the old one.

"Even if a component malfunctions, back-up devices will ensure the signalling system continues to function properly," it said of the new system.

The firm also said the new system had a similar number of parts as the one currently in use.

5. WHAT OTHER ACCIDENTS HAVE BEEN RELATED TO THE MTR'S SIGNALLING SYSTEM?

In October last year, four lines were hit by delays while running the current system.

The delays lasted more than six hours and the railway firm attributed it to a signalling fault.

A similar incident happened on the Kwun Tong Line in 2017, when trains had to be manually operated due to faults in communication equipment.

The delays lasted more than 10 hours and the railway firm was fined HK$2 million.

This article was first published in South China Morning Post.

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Shit, if it happened in hk, it may happen here in sg too as we both use the same system.

I believe the issue in the signal system here should be solved liao?
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I believe the issue in the signal system here should be solved liao?

Read the news, it said that hk using the same new singalling system as ours. So now hk train crash related to new signalling system, naturally will set us thinking will it also mean it may happen to us in sg side too.

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Hong Kong MTR crash: Signalling system also behind 2017 collision at Joo Koon station

 

Oh oh, lets not panic and have the train shut down like the 737 Max 8

 

@Rad x please help to delete.. duplicated.

 

Din notice ,, paiseh

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Read the news, it said that hk using the same new singalling system as ours. So now hk train crash related to new signalling system, naturally will set us thinking will it also mean it may happen to us in sg side too.

 

You do know what you say make sense. 

 

You also know that when we ask such thought-provoking questions, it only means we need to pay an even higher price for the transport.

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Read the news, it said that hk using the same new singalling system as ours. So now hk train crash related to new signalling system, naturally will set us thinking will it also mean it may happen to us in sg side too.

But the hk crash happened during the trial signal system? Meaning the signal system still under testing? But i dont know if our signal system already fully tested and proven no issue liao?
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Someone in mrt or lta is going to be pooing bricks soon especially if singapore's new signalling system hasn't been fully operational or tested like hk. [laugh]

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Someone in mrt or lta is going to be pooing bricks soon especially if singapore's new signalling system hasn't been fully operational or tested like hk. [laugh]

Our signal system not yet fully tested? Then it is worrisome liao.
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Read the news, it said that hk using the same new singalling system as ours. So now hk train crash related to new signalling system, naturally will set us thinking will it also mean it may happen to us in sg side too.

It is like first Lion air and next Ethiopia, now SMRT and MTRC. Everything in life today evolves around computer and software, when software screw up, plane crash, MRT crash, what next right?
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Our signal system not yet fully tested? Then it is worrisome liao.

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Smrt did the signalling test during peak hour in 2017, North South Line.

Passenger safety not priority cos priority is "to ensure that any teething issues with the new signalling system are sorted out".

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/peak-hour-signalling-checks-on-north-south-line-smrt-explains-8921408

 

On EWL in 2018 the test are done on 5 Sundays. The previous test must have angered a lot of folks for them to change their minds. Was passenger safety a priority?

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/new-mrt-signalling-system-to-be-tested-during-train-operational-hours-on-five

 

Cant imagine if something like HK's train crash happened here....during peak hour or even non peak. There surely would have heavy casualties. Whoever that army general better be thankful none of this shit happen during his watch.

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