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Posted 29 March 2019 - 04:19 PM

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why people spend thousands on iPhone while you can get a cheap Android for a few hundreds or even free with contract?

 

It is not about just reliability these days. it is about the whole consumer experience. 

 

unless you're wearing those white slippers with blue strips, since it also does the job, why are you even asking this question?


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Doesn't mean you drive a faster car, you can travel at 70kph on a clear lane 1 with a train of cars behind you...

 

that is what lane 2 is for..


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Posted 29 March 2019 - 04:20 PM

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RELIABILITY is perceived.

 

Any continental, Malaysian, Japanese or Korean cars, so long as you send for periodic oil change and change the wear and tear parts when due, they can last beyond 10 years & more.

 

11 yr old Hyundai Getz

https://www.sgcarmar...=813117&DL=1000

 

21 yr old Perodua Kancil

https://www.sgcarmar...=803590&DL=1000

 

28 yr old Nissan Sunny (the last fuel efficient model)

https://www.sgcarmar...798&CUR=3#photo

 

35 yr old Mercedes 200 W123

https://www.sgcarmar...=786155&DL=1120


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Posted 29 March 2019 - 04:29 PM

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What is the purpose for this thread? Stir shit?


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Posted 29 March 2019 - 04:31 PM

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I think the most important thing is value for money. Is it worth paying the premium for a basic car? 


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Posted 29 March 2019 - 04:43 PM

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Many people say Toyota no longer offers value for money cars in Singapore. Its expensive, not worth it, old fashion specs etc

For the money you are paying to buy a Vios with drums brakes, no leather seats, manual aircon, missing DRL, you might as well buy a Korean car. It has better trim level and is much cheaper.

In my view the reason why the local agent priced it higher is because the brand is associated with reliability. You may hear people saying Korean cars are just as reliable but the Kia and Hyundai are still one notch below Toyota. Their selling point  is they offer better interior design, more features such as wireless HP charging, rear aircon.

 

However not everyone is impressed with these type of stuff. The more stuff the car has, the higher the chances of it breaking down and electronic stuff is usually 1 yr warranty only.

 

What are your views?

 

Nothing is cheap in this country. If u want a car, gotta bite the bullet!


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Posted 29 March 2019 - 04:51 PM

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Some people buy Toyota find it very value for money.
Some people buy Kia find it very value for money.
Some people buy Mercedes find it very value for money.
Some people buy Ferrari find it very value for money.
Some people buy Tesla find it very value for money.
Some people buy Geely find it very value for money.

why choose topic against Toyota? not Honda, not Mazda, not Renault, not .... of equal price level?

why people spend thousands on iPhone while you can get a cheap Android for a few hundreds or even free with contract?

It is not about just reliability these days. it is about the whole consumer experience.

unless you're wearing those white slippers with blue strips, since it also does the job, why are you even asking this question?

is because he/she not user of the brand sure said differently, is so clear..
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Posted 29 March 2019 - 05:13 PM

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why choose topic against Toyota? not Honda, not Mazda, not Renault, not .... of equal price level?
is because he/she not user of the brand sure said differently, is so clear..

Very obviously there are some toyota haters here🤣
When some stuff get too popular it naturally invite hater / jealousy.
And it happen that toyota is the most popular car brand in sg/world.
I dun own 1.
Unless u count lexus🤔
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Posted 29 March 2019 - 05:40 PM

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Lol, the reason is simple. When people buy Toyota...they buy the BRAND. Price is secondary.

When people buy Koreans kia hyundai etc....usually they consider price as most important factor.

Toyota cars will always be priced higher den Kia Hyundai of the same category type of cars at least in the near future.

Brand vs Price. Of cos u buy certain brand dun have to worry resale....

Same like Ferrari vs McLaren or Aston Martin. Some brands can consider "They sell by itself!!". Their sales people are "order takers" only.

That is the difference.

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Posted 29 March 2019 - 07:13 PM

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RELIABILITY is perceived.
 
Any continental, Malaysian, Japanese or Korean cars, so long as you send for periodic oil change and change the wear and tear parts when due, they can last beyond 10 years & more.
 
11 yr old Hyundai Getz
https://www.sgcarmar...=813117&DL=1000
 
21 yr old Perodua Kancil
https://www.sgcarmar...=803590&DL=1000
 
28 yr old Nissan Sunny (the last fuel efficient model)
https://www.sgcarmar...798&CUR=3#photo
 
35 yr old Mercedes 200 W123
https://www.sgcarmar...=786155&DL=1120


How you perceived sia ?

For example, last time so many VW have issues.

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Posted 29 March 2019 - 07:43 PM

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How you perceived sia ?

For example, last time so many VW have issues.

That is because many people perceive VW have issues?

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Posted 29 March 2019 - 07:48 PM

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why choose topic against Toyota? not Honda, not Mazda, not Renault, not .... of equal price level?
is because he/she not user of the brand sure said differently, is so clear..

I think its a good comparison because Toyota is well known or well perceived or well accepted or well recommended mostly for its reliability. It still is.

Honda, i heard long ago, is machiam the Rolls Royce of Japanese car brands. Mazda for gas guzzler, Nissan for very Asian crude car names, Renault for infamous GB in its heydays where a salesman told me, will cost $32k to overhaul GB or parts must wait long long.

Just perceptions of drivers and beliefs passed down from grandda to son to grandson.😁 Me the younger level of grandchildren and yes, was told very firmly, Toyota very reliable.

I only owned 1 Toyota. A PFL Wish. Superb mpv to mod. Inside outside topside to downside. Really can mod until like Christmas Tree or fast almost like a 2litres cc ride with racing software or chip here there. Its wheel pcd is rather limited though 5×100, like Scooby. Kentstyle to gangsta to Modelista etc bodykits make for chio chio individual styling.
Reliable yes. No major engine or GB issues, normal wear and tear replacements. Parts are also easily available in JB. Poisons many many too.

But after that ownership, i went over to Honda. An entirely different ride and experience.

Very subjective and boils to what one deem as important and value for money. COE play a part too. There was a period where quite a few Honda bros switched to VW simply becos the difference in prices is very close. They took the opportunity to try out a conti instead. It's a "since i can afford one now, why not try it out?"

I am now driving a conti too. The feel and handling between say, a Japanese ride and conti is different for me. Is reliabilty important? Yes. But the total ride quality and experience kind of offer me a middle ground where i can give and take, perhaps, for eg. the hassle of topping engine oil more often or servicing costs more. Actually, if one know to ask for advice and lobang like where is a good workshop, savings can be achieved.

If i can have everything in a car, reliability, value for money, conti performance, comfort and handling, it still boils down to whether i can afford anot. I mean, a drone is almost a flying car these days. Oops.

Safe ride. For discussion only. No hard feelings. I am almost brand blind. There is only 1 brand i wont touch.

Cheers

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Posted 29 March 2019 - 07:53 PM

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it is just like buying TV . . . I only buy Sony. Why ahh  [confused]


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Posted 29 March 2019 - 08:28 PM

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Looks fake now.

 


Oh well....missing a pair of testicles spotted.attachicon.gifCapture.JPG

 

Give you 5 points too. 


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Posted 29 March 2019 - 09:50 PM

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Lol, the reason is simple. When people buy Toyota...they buy the BRAND. Price is secondary.

When people buy Koreans kia hyundai etc....usually they consider price as most important factor.

Toyota cars will always be priced higher den Kia Hyundai of the same category type of cars at least in the near future.

Brand vs Price. Of cos u buy certain brand dun have to worry resale....

Same like Ferrari vs McLaren or Aston Martin. Some brands can consider "They sell by itself!!". Their sales people are "order takers" only.

That is the difference.

Toyota cars r generally more ex than any jap or Korean brand.
Its OK to sell higher but make sure its justifiable.
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Posted 29 March 2019 - 10:02 PM

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A coe renewed(10 yr) Wish is selling almost the same price as a coe renewed C180. A brand new C180 cost so much more as compared to a brand new Wish, but when come to 10th yr, they cost almost the same. Toyota rocks! Haha..
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Posted 29 March 2019 - 10:21 PM

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A coe renewed(10 yr) Wish is selling almost the same price as a coe renewed C180. A brand new C180 cost so much more as compared to a brand new Wish, but when come to 10th yr, they cost almost the same. Toyota rocks! Haha..

It is why I renew my e200 COE.. new car 240k, Coe car 70k, it is an outdated model though.
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Posted 29 March 2019 - 10:28 PM

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I think its a good comparison because Toyota is well known or well perceived or well accepted or well recommended mostly for its reliability. It still is.

Honda, i heard long ago, is machiam the Rolls Royce of Japanese car brands. Mazda for gas guzzler, Nissan for very Asian crude car names, Renault for infamous GB in its heydays where a salesman told me, will cost $32k to overhaul GB or parts must wait long long.

Just perceptions of drivers and beliefs passed down from grandda to son to grandson.😁 Me the younger level of grandchildren and yes, was told very firmly, Toyota very reliable.

I only owned 1 Toyota. A PFL Wish. Superb mpv to mod. Inside outside topside to downside. Really can mod until like Christmas Tree or fast almost like a 2litres cc ride with racing software or chip here there. Its wheel pcd is rather limited though 5×100, like Scooby. Kentstyle to gangsta to Modelista etc bodykits make for chio chio individual styling.
Reliable yes. No major engine or GB issues, normal wear and tear replacements. Parts are also easily available in JB. Poisons many many too.

But after that ownership, i went over to Honda. An entirely different ride and experience.

Very subjective and boils to what one deem as important and value for money. COE play a part too. There was a period where quite a few Honda bros switched to VW simply becos the difference in prices is very close. They took the opportunity to try out a conti instead. It's a "since i can afford one now, why not try it out?"

I am now driving a conti too. The feel and handling between say, a Japanese ride and conti is different for me. Is reliabilty important? Yes. But the total ride quality and experience kind of offer me a middle ground where i can give and take, perhaps, for eg. the hassle of topping engine oil more often or servicing costs more. Actually, if one know to ask for advice and lobang like where is a good workshop, savings can be achieved.

If i can have everything in a car, reliability, value for money, conti performance, comfort and handling, it still boils down to whether i can afford anot. I mean, a drone is almost a flying car these days. Oops.

Safe ride. For discussion only. No hard feelings. I am almost brand blind. There is only 1 brand i wont touch.

Cheers

I am now driving a conti too. The feel and handling between say, a Japanese ride and conti is different for me

u went from japanese to conti and feel conti ride quality and experience is better.

fair enough.

but can i ask how much is your japanese ride compare to your conti ride?? are they roughly of the same value for the comparison to be more fair??



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Posted 29 March 2019 - 10:36 PM

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I am now driving a conti too. The feel and handling between say, a Japanese ride and conti is different for me
u went from japanese to conti and feel conti ride quality and experience is better.
fair enough.
but can i ask how much is your japanese ride compare to your conti ride?? are they roughly of the same value for the comparison to be more fair??

Quite a difference, bro. That's why i said its the ride comfort, handling and experience placed me on middle ground.

To either forego these for a lower priced ride and put up with the hassle of topping up engine oil and higher maintenance cost overall.

It's very subjective because of individual preference plus willingness to see the extra costs as paying for say, added abalone in yusheng. Hehe...i know food and cars are worlds apart but i am talking about how one can "weigh" enjoyment vs saving the expense. Maybe its a lousy illustration. Sorry.

Hehe...to each, one's butt feel and comfort.

Safe ride
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Posted 29 March 2019 - 10:55 PM

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......

In my view the reason why the local agent priced it higher is because the brand is associated with reliability. ....

.....

 

Lets leave the  perceived reliability discussion aside,  I want to point out your perception of local agent pricing the car higher. 

The reason Altis is priced higher because they have a higher OMV, as a result, they need to be sold at a higher selling price. If you compare carefully, in fact  KMC is making better profit per car from an Avante than BM making  from an Altis.  Whether a higher price would translate into better reliability or value for money is beside the point, this is why there are people who pay double and triple the amount of money for a Merc and BMW   when there are sub 100k cars available.  If any,  BM only have their supplier to blame for not being able to manufacture cars at lower cost.  

 

Total cost of Altis : 75k 

Sell price : 89k 

profit : 17k

 

 

Total cost of Avante S model : 55k

Sell price : 75k 

profit : 20k 


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Posted 29 March 2019 - 11:26 PM

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I had driven first gen Vios from its 7th yr to 10th yr. I also driven a Kia Forte from its 5th yr to 8th yr.
Really got difference in reliability. The Vios was hardy indeed.
Not sure about present gen Vios vs Avante/Cerato. Feature wise, i admit Korean win.
Reliability wise, can only tell when the car reaches 5th yr and beyond. First few years mostly no problem.

Ya toyota reliability still tops.
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