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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:31 PM

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Singapore has BIG refine oil industry. I guess it may be a BIG money reason why Singapore Government did not support renewable energy such as win energy, solar energy, sea wave energy and EV.

Because of this BIG money reason, Singaporeans have to use petrol cars and have to pay for petrol tax + carbon/environment taxes while using petrol cars. Double wins for Singapore Government, double losses for Singaporeans and environment.

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:34 PM

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Singapore got renewable energy. But how is Singapore going to get enough renewable energy to power all the EV cars ? Most likely we will see the first nuclear power plant in SEA very soon, but it won't be Singapore. We will be the second one.



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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:46 PM

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:08 PM

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Singapore has BIG refine oil industry. I guess it may be a BIG money reason why Singapore Government did not support renewable energy such as win energy, solar energy, sea wave energy and EV.

Because of this BIG money reason, Singaporeans have to use petrol cars and have to pay for petrol tax + carbon/environment taxes while using petrol cars. Double wins for Singapore Government, double losses for Singaporeans and environment.

 

An interesting read for you.

 

https://www.nccs.gov...ernative-energy

 

Anyway,  IMHO,  someone else need to come up with a sustainable business. 


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:56 PM

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It’s not sustainable long term. We need better battery technology to better store electrical energy. Battery longevity also needs to be improved otherwise we got to keep buying fresh batteries. The waste caused by used batteries is also not environmentally friendly. Renewable energy sounds good but just not sustainable long term.
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 09:28 PM

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Car is seen as a luxury transport, if environment is a primary concern can just force everyone to take public transport and ta da problem solved. 

 

Of the 3 you mentioned non of them unfortunately I see is sizable to make a large dent and the first two are not practical. We are already invested in solar which makes I think 5% of consumption) 

 

- Wind Energy - needs about 7M/s average for a wind farm to generate decent power, Singapore one average 2.5M/s or less. Not to mention limited land and environmental impact. 

- Sea Wave - Limited Sea space, limited sea wave, inefficient power generation compared to other two and inconsistent power generation.

- Solar - Most viable but limited space, cloudy skies making it less efficient compared to other countries (i,e Australia)

 

Or we can go Geothermal but that would mean relying on Indonesia more for our power, alamak cannot cannot

 

Best we go Nuclear lah, can also make missile then also can abolish NS the extra power can go to helping the new generation charge their phones with their freed up 2 years.

 

Singapore has BIG refine oil industry. I guess it may be a BIG money reason why Singapore Government did not support renewable energy such as win energy, solar energy, sea wave energy and EV.

Because of this BIG money reason, Singaporeans have to use petrol cars and have to pay for petrol tax + carbon/environment taxes while using petrol cars. Double wins for Singapore Government, double losses for Singaporeans and environment.

 


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:32 PM

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An interesting read for you.
Your link was working few hours ago. I read it. Now it didn't work anymore, he he.

Singapore Government has a lot of excuses not to do renewable energy. Nobody wants to lose money from oil/petrol.

If they really wanted to do renewable energy, they could just take a small step to put solar panels on top roof of all HDBs and all condos. Singapore has enough money to cover all HDBs and condos top roof.

As for wind energy, they could build wind farms at sea around Singapore. A lot of winds over there, no excuse Singapore does not have enough wind speed.

As for tidal/sea waves energy, as long as there are waves, you can harvest energy, no excuse Singapore does not have sea or waves are not strong enough.

As for excuse renewable energies such as solar energy and wind energy are not consistent generators, current technology solved this inconsistent issue by using energy vault.

Here are few sample of energy vaults for inconsistent renewable energy generators






There are many other energy vaults solutions to store renewal energy.

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 11:02 PM

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Itâs not sustainable long term. We need better battery technology to better store electrical energy. Battery longevity also needs to be improved otherwise we got to keep buying fresh batteries. The waste caused by used batteries is also not environmentally friendly. Renewable energy sounds good but just not sustainable long term.

We don't use batteries to store renewable energy. We use concrete blocks to store renewable energy like 2 youtube videos that I posted above. There are other ways to store renewable energy such as using train carts to carry weights up to top of hill or using weights to store energy at deep sea.

Using concrete blocks to store renewable energy is environment friendly and it does not require much space.

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 11:23 PM

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This ocean gravity energy storage solution is so complicated as compare to using concrete blocks tower to store renewable energy and it may have environment impact, not environment friendly to sea creatures.

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 11:42 PM

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Our electricity comes from Natural Gas which is piped from the Gas fields in Indonesia, whats the link with oil industry?

 

Also the electricity demand for 2016 was 48 Twh, how much can the solution mentioned below generate or store?

 

An interesting read for you.
Your link was working few hours ago. I read it. Now it didn't work anymore, he he.

Singapore Government has a lot of excuses not to do renewable energy. Nobody wants to lose money from oil/petrol.

If they really wanted to do renewable energy, they could just take a small step to put solar panels on top roof of all HDBs and all condos. Singapore has enough money to cover all HDBs and condos top roof.

As for wind energy, they could build wind farms at sea around Singapore. A lot of winds over there, no excuse Singapore does not have enough wind speed.

As for tidal/sea waves energy, as long as there are waves, you can harvest energy, no excuse Singapore does not have sea or waves are not strong enough.

As for excuse renewable energies such as solar energy and wind energy are not consistent generators, current technology solved this inconsistent issue by using energy vault.

Here are few sample of energy vaults for inconsistent renewable energy generators






There are many other energy vaults solutions to store renewal energy.

 


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 11:51 PM

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Nearly all the power plants are losing money except one in the power generation sector.

https://www.business...ve-overcapacity

I don't think any one would invest into renewable energy commercially now for Singapore unless they are cheaper than traditional energy sources.

For example, Sunseap has a 100% solar energy electricity plan for consumers, but it is priced much higher than the other plans based on tradional sources. I wonder what is the takeup rate.

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 07:43 AM

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Nearly all the power plants are losing money except one in the power generation sector.

https://www.business...ve-overcapacity

I don't think any one would invest into renewable energy commercially now for Singapore unless they are cheaper than traditional energy sources.

For example, Sunseap has a 100% solar energy electricity plan for consumers, but it is priced much higher than the other plans based on tradional sources. I wonder what is the takeup rate.

Why 100% solar energy electricity plan for consumers priced much higher than other plans?

Same reason, why 100% electricity cars and hybrid cars for consumers priced much higher than gas/petrol cars?

Someone is not happy if consumers opt for using less gas/petrol.

Moral lesson to be learned in Singapore is: if you want to protect environment, you have to pay more using your own pocket money to protect environment.

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 08:55 AM

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Becos SG has many oil refinery businesses here. $$$$$$$$ f**k the ppl
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Posted 15 May 2019 - 09:06 AM

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Our electricity comes from Natural Gas which is piped from the Gas fields in Indonesia, whats the link with oil industry?

Also the electricity demand for 2016 was 48 Twh, how much can the solution mentioned below generate or store?

I agree with you
Pv very little energy

Want to do solar, do thermal solar
Some more if clad all hdb with solar collectors, can reduce a lot of heat island effect
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Posted 15 May 2019 - 09:12 AM

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Actually I was talking with a Gman previously and apparently Solar is not as efficient in SG as most ppl think it should be. Mainly because even tho its f**king hot and shit here, we don't get that much direct sunlight as alot of the time, the Sun get blocked out by clouds and reduces the amt of energy produced. And current solar tech is not quite there yet for them to invest the $$$. Unlike in amdk places where they actually get more direct uncovered sun time.

The only way for us to move forward is geothermal. Put outside parliament. Lots of hot air generated. Can prob get nuclear equivalent.
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All about the money money money

 

No! You mean PAP does not care for us?! 😱
 


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No! You mean PAP does not care for us?! ð±

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 09:41 AM

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contrary to popular belief, a govt in a small south east asian country like easy solutions that can give immediate ROI....



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For thermal solar I've only heard using molten salts to harness the and store the heat, how to store the heat from the solar collectors into something that can be generated back to useful energy.

 

Some articles on government experiment with renewable.

Anyway anyone saying the govt must support EV to be environmentally friendly sound abit ironic, they can jolly well take public transport which is very environmentally friendly. 

 

 

I agree with you
Pv very little energy

Want to do solar, do thermal solar
Some more if clad all hdb with solar collectors, can reduce a lot of heat island effect

 


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We don't use batteries to store renewable energy. We use concrete blocks to store renewable energy like 2 youtube videos that I posted above. There are other ways to store renewable energy such as using train carts to carry weights up to top of hill or using weights to store energy at deep sea.

Using concrete blocks to store renewable energy is environment friendly and it does not require much space.

 

I watched the videos. Omg this is a startup company, I mean it's not even an established or proven system! Still dont think it's a sustainable solution long term. You will still need capital to buy solar panels, monitoring software, build cranes, buy concrete blocks and their nifty software. How long will it take to recoup all these cost. Dont forget you still have to spend on maintaining all the hardware that I have mentioned. Especially the crane. Have to certify regularly for load test. The crane  being used so frequently. Crane gb and torque converter, winch and steel cables need regular maintainance. These things arent FOC. Omg it could even cost more dan using batteries....

 

Back to what I have mentioned. The ang mohs make it sounds good but just not sustainable long term. Whoever believes in them are sold by what they are selling. What do ppl call it? I think it's called "false hope". Otherwise how they make money?


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