Ixus75 3rd Gear June 23, 2019 Share June 23, 2019 The new device does connect to cellular network as well. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/erp-20-goes-the-distance-with-new-tech The new system makes use of a smartphone-size, on-board unit that communicates with a central computer system via a dedicated 4G cellular network. It informs motorists of a priced road ahead, as well as the charges, allowing them enough time to switch routes. ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angcheek Hypersonic June 23, 2019 Share June 23, 2019 what’s wrong to collect more?????????????? my wallet hurts 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic June 23, 2019 Share June 23, 2019 Technically don't even need gantry. All they need is to designate a certain area as "carpark" and when the GPS detects the car has entered this area, it prompts you that if you don't exit in 10min (grace period), additional parking charges will apply even if car stationary and switched off. The time based charges will be levied to your account and transferred to the carpark account at the backend (the same way your NETS/Flashpay payments are being transferred now). The algorithm can be tweaked to trigger when the vehicle is within that defined area and its speed has dropped below a certain speed (to avoid irritating spurious triggers for simply driving by). The existing controlled entry barriers can easily be defeated by setting all of them to accept cars fitted with the new GPS OBU as "season parking" so they will automatically open and not double charge. This can be done centrally island-wide as part of the commissioning checklist when you get an OBU fitted. Shouldn't be too tough since everything is controlled by central servers nowadays. That's for surface carparks. For undeground or sheltered multistorey CPs without GPS signal penetration, either stick to legacy system or maybe use a time in/time out (but the latter is risky and can risk under/overcharging). For underground, can use fixed ground based reference station 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockngbrd Supersonic June 23, 2019 Share June 23, 2019 Msia car boleh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQ01 3rd Gear June 23, 2019 Share June 23, 2019 (edited) Lets say if erp 2.0 replace coe. Say $50K coe, average 200K km over 10years. Per km $0.25 as base "coe" on all roads. Peak hours higher rate like erp 1.0. So no need coe but $0.25 per km. Will it be better? Not asking for possible or not, just comparing flat coe to pay per use. Which u prefer? Edited June 23, 2019 by JQ01 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopites Supersonic June 23, 2019 Share June 23, 2019 sure bo? no backward compatibility? install new IU cannot park in all existing carparks? another way is all existing carpark system need to be upgraded to read old and new IU currently cash card also got variances hm after so many years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wt_know Supersonic June 23, 2019 Share June 23, 2019 (edited) Lets say if erp 2.0 replace coe. Say $50K coe, average 200K km over 10years. Per km $0.25 as base "coe" on all roads. Peak hours higher rate like erp 1.0. So no need coe but $0.25 per km. Will it be better? Not asking for possible or not, just comparing flat coe to pay per use. Which u prefer? without COE 1 month can sell how many cars?who get car first it’s no other solution than COE to control car quota coe is fixed cost erp is variable cost Edited June 23, 2019 by Wt_know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQ01 3rd Gear June 24, 2019 Share June 24, 2019 without COE 1 month can sell how many cars? who get car first itâs no other solution than COE to control car quota coe is fixed cost erp is variable cost Yes. It is difficult to implement as I mentioned but I am taking about is a change of coe fixed cost to variable.. Which u prefer? I am actually for variable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Twincharged June 24, 2019 Share June 24, 2019 Confirm will not 100%, double triple confirm, WILL be backward compatible. the new unit will work with existing ERP gantry and carpark systems like the current ones. this is part of the design specs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopites Supersonic June 24, 2019 Share June 24, 2019 (edited) I don't know why must spend million to invent erp 2.0 all phone pre install pokemon. you move with above certain speed/mileage you paid. Edited June 24, 2019 by Kopites Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanoyip Turbocharged June 24, 2019 Share June 24, 2019 The new device does connect to cellular network as well. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/erp-20-goes-the-distance-with-new-tech The new system makes use of a smartphone-size, on-board unit that communicates with a central computer system via a dedicated 4G cellular network. It informs motorists of a priced road ahead, as well as the charges, allowing them enough time to switch routes. Of course it has to, if not underground/tunnel how to charge you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanoyip Turbocharged June 24, 2019 Share June 24, 2019 Lets say if erp 2.0 replace coe. Say $50K coe, average 200K km over 10years. Per km $0.25 as base "coe" on all roads. Peak hours higher rate like erp 1.0. So no need coe but $0.25 per km. Will it be better? Not asking for possible or not, just comparing flat coe to pay per use. Which u prefer? For me distance charging more worth, since i hardly travel much using car.. it will be WTF if we need to install 2 x IU one for GPS ERP one for gantry parking especially underground or mall system that is not ready to integrate with erp 2.0 what’s wrong to collect more?????????????? Actually speaking about IUs just for carparks or tolls, why don't they just use plate recognition technology to charge? Australia is already using it, and trust me, australia is 10x more backward than SG in terms of technology but yet in this area they are much more superior Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast1 Supersonic June 24, 2019 Share June 24, 2019 (edited) The old story goes that when they found out pens couldn't write in zero g in space, the Americans spent millions of dollars to develop a pen that could. The Russians used a pencil. Our Singapore gahmen can accomplish the basic goal of increasing usage based charging by increasing petrol tariffs and fixed gantry ERP charges. But it seems they want to take the American route. Edited June 24, 2019 by Turboflat4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Twincharged June 24, 2019 Share June 24, 2019 Most likely 2g from what I heard from one of the guys that went for the tender. The telcos already sunset 2g for consumer. We have many cars but we have even more phones! In any case, not good news for us drivers lah. We are being watched, really don't see how are we different from communist country YAWN!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic June 24, 2019 Share June 24, 2019 Currently ERP is not maximized to its fullest potential. It should start from $10 per pop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inlinefour Twincharged June 24, 2019 Share June 24, 2019 Currently ERP is not maximized to its fullest potential. It should start from $10 per pop. IMHO the fairest way is to use car omv to determine coe erp fine etc so driving Lambo will be contributing more than B&B car for nation building but whatever implementation we have no say lah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yewheng Twincharged June 24, 2019 Share June 24, 2019 (edited) The new device does connect to cellular network as well. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/erp-20-goes-the-distance-with-new-tech The new system makes use of a smartphone-size, on-board unit that communicates with a central computer system via a dedicated 4G cellular network. It informs motorists of a priced road ahead, as well as the charges, allowing them enough time to switch routes. This mean that distance based charging will be akau datang when the new device is installed. So proberly will be still go by location based, just like now when we passed by gentry money will be deducted through cash card. The new system will inform of gentry ahead in say 100m (no physical gentry though),drove pass that invisible gentry and money get deducted. And lucky it is using 4g network.. So things will be okay and will not lag. However when 5g is launched it will be even better. The response time for 5g will be a lot better then 4g. Then sure will have no lag issue for 5g. So in short term, lta have flexibility of erecting invisible gentry anywhere they deem fit, no need to spend money and time to construct a new gentry. So it will be quite mobile. Hopefully we will not see distance based charging in long term. Stay as it is now, pass by gentry and driver pay is good enough. Edited June 24, 2019 by Yewheng Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didu Supercharged June 24, 2019 Share June 24, 2019 The new device does connect to cellular network as well. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/erp-20-goes-the-distance-with-new-tech The new system makes use of a smartphone-size, on-board unit that communicates with a central computer system via a dedicated 4G cellular network. It informs motorists of a priced road ahead, as well as the charges, allowing them enough time to switch routes. "Vehicles without an on-board unit or valid payment mode will be captured by the enforcement cameras." How do supposed the system capture such phantom vehicles? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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