Boosting Efficiency of Engines Transmission

[Nmnhnlm]

http://www.ameslab.gov/final/News/2008rel/Nanocoatings.html

 

Found that they licensed the material to a company called newtech ceramic and they do custom coating service as well.

 

In case you are wonder how touch is the material. Toughen steel has around 300-400 on the scale and AlMgB14 is ~800 on the scale (Diamond is ~1600). Adding TiB2 increases it to ~1000. Its even harder than other materials like Tungsten carbide, titanium carbide etc....

 

http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Tri...co_of_frict.htm

 

And how slippery is this material. The best teflon is a friction coefficient of 0.04. This thing is 0.02, this is the most slippery material in the world. Even if you lubricate cat iron, it still has a friction of around 0.07. So even with the best engine and transmission oil, your engine still has MUCH HIGHER FRICTION than this material.

 

Btw, your torque conversion has lots of friction as well. Coating this to the torque converter will make it much more efficient.

 

Will be communicating with them on how much it cost to coat gears and cylinder walls etc.... Very promising stuff.

[Smhomie]

http://www.ameslab.gov/final/News/2008rel/Nanocoatings.html

 

Found that they licensed the material to a company called newtech ceramic and they do custom coating service as well.

 

In case you are wonder how touch is the material. Toughen steel has around 300-400 on the scale and AlMgB14 is ~800 on the scale (Diamond is ~1600). Adding TiB2 increases it to ~1000. Its even harder than other materials like Tungsten carbide, titanium carbide etc....

 

http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Tri...co_of_frict.htm

 

And how slippery is this material. The best teflon is a friction coefficient of 0.04. This thing is 0.02, this is the most slippery material in the world. Even if you lubricate cat iron, it still has a friction of around 0.07. So even with the best engine and transmission oil, your engine still has MUCH HIGHER FRICTION than this material.

 

Btw, your torque conversion has lots of friction as well. Coating this to the torque converter will make it much more efficient.

 

Will be communicating with them on how much it cost to coat gears and cylinder walls etc.... Very promising stuff.

 

Sorry, you can't coat the torque converter because if its too slippery, it can't lock up. Modify the internal vanes to redirect fluid to be more efficient, yes. Key is to convert to high stall or low stall converter, not coating.

 

Cylinder walls, piston head, camshaft rocker yes it will help.

[Pisces69]

http://www.ameslab.gov/final/News/2008rel/Nanocoatings.html

 

Found that they licensed the material to a company called newtech ceramic and they do custom coating service as well.

 

In case you are wonder how touch is the material. Toughen steel has around 300-400 on the scale and AlMgB14 is ~800 on the scale (Diamond is ~1600). Adding TiB2 increases it to ~1000. Its even harder than other materials like Tungsten carbide, titanium carbide etc....

 

http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Tri...co_of_frict.htm

 

And how slippery is this material. The best teflon is a friction coefficient of 0.04. This thing is 0.02, this is the most slippery material in the world. Even if you lubricate cat iron, it still has a friction of around 0.07. So even with the best engine and transmission oil, your engine still has MUCH HIGHER FRICTION than this material.

 

Btw, your torque conversion has lots of friction as well. Coating this to the torque converter will make it much more efficient.

 

Will be communicating with them on how much it cost to coat gears and cylinder walls etc.... Very promising stuff.

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Anything new on the market like this I wud rather let others b the guinea pigs.

 

Long ago I tried using teflon (PTFE) additive in my engine oil

 

At 1st was damm smooth & after a few months the whole engine was buggered-up. Go search on PTFE. Now its "banned" in motoring circles.

 

I screwed 1 bike & 2 car engines with it b4 I realised it was the reason why my engines were badly damaged.

 

Just a warning to all those here to b careful of any new stuff which makes fantastic claims.

 

Now I just use a good quality engine oil & thats it. I have not destroyed any of my car engines since then.

 

[Nmnhnlm]

Sorry, you can't coat the torque converter because if its too slippery, it can't lock up. Modify the internal vanes to redirect fluid to be more efficient, yes. Key is to convert to high stall or low stall converter, not coating.

 

Cylinder walls, piston head, camshaft rocker yes it will help.

 

Not, its to coat onto the vanes or fins in the torque converter. Massive amount of friction is produced when ATF moves thru these fins (both turbine fins and the center stator fins). IT does not affect the torque converter clutch.

 

This way the efficency will increase.

 

The same for gears. Helical gears are not as efficiency as spur gears because of the sliding action. Thats why thick oils are needed to lubricate it. This material will greatly reduce the friction as well.

 

Btw, general transmission loses are around 15% for manual cars (AT cars will be even higher during acceleration), if we can reduce this amt to just 5%, we will gain 10% more power for free. Not to mention we can use thinner oils and better FC. Still have not talk about engine yet....

 

 

[Pisces69]

Not, its to coat onto the vanes or fins in the torque converter. Massive amount of friction is produced when ATF moves thru these fins (both turbine fins and the center stator fins). IT does not affect the torque converter clutch.

 

This way the efficency will increase.

 

The same for gears. Helical gears are not as efficiency as spur gears because of the sliding action. Thats why thick oils are needed to lubricate it. This material will greatly reduce the friction as well.

 

Btw, general transmission loses are around 15% for manual cars (AT cars will be even higher during acceleration), if we can reduce this amt to just 5%, we will gain 10% more power for free. Not to mention we can use thinner oils and better FC. Still have not talk about engine yet....

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Are you promoting this product?

[Nmnhnlm]

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Anything new on the market like this I wud rather let others b the guinea pigs.

 

Long ago I tried using teflon (PTFE) additive in my engine oil

 

At 1st was damm smooth & after a few months the whole engine was buggered-up. Go search on PTFE. Now its "banned" in motoring circles.

 

I screwed 1 bike & 2 car engines with it b4 I realised it was the reason why my engines were badly damaged.

 

Just a warning to all those here to b careful of any new stuff which makes fantastic claims.

 

Now I just use a good quality engine oil & thats it. I have not destroyed any of my car engines since then.

 

Bro, I don't meant to sound sacarstic but you don't seems to read or research before you do something......

 

Bro, Teflon should never be used in engines, Dupont said it themselves. Also, Teflon melts at 327C and its friction properties worsens as temp rises. Thats why its never used as a high temp extreme pressure lubricant unlike Zinc and molybdenium based compounds.

 

If you want to use Teflon for your engine? Can, not as an additive. You can coat your journal bearings with teflon to reduce friction. But Teflon is not exactly scratch resistance thus foreign particles in the oil will remove the coating after sometime.

 

Btw, this cermaic alloy is NOT an additive and it CANNOT be applied like an additive. You can only coat the material with either pulsed laser deposition or magnetron spluttering. ITs mainly used in cutting bits because its harder than normal material like tungsten carbide and much cheaper than Diamond and lower in friction.

[Nmnhnlm]

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Are you promoting this product?

 

Yes, I am promoting the awareness of it. I am also curious and constantly on the look out for things that could improve power and efficiency. When I find something good, I will post here to share with everyone.

 

I am currently rebuilding my engine and is looking for ways to improve it. Reducing friction will reduce heat, improve power and improve its lifespan and reliability. Things like piston rings and journal bearings are EXTREMELY INEFFICIENT! My quest for improvement lead me to this ceramic alloy.

 

I am now thinking of sending my clyinder sleeves, pistons and rings + journals for them to coat (assuming its possible and not too expensive).

 

They say need to sign some non-disclosure agreement before they can say more things to me......WTF....

[Pisces69]

Bro, I don't meant to sound sacarstic but you don't seems to read or research before you do something......

 

Bro, Teflon should never be used in engines, Dupont said it themselves. Also, Teflon melts at 327C and its friction properties worsens as temp rises. Thats why its never used as a high temp extreme pressure lubricant unlike Zinc and molybdenium based compounds.

 

If you want to use Teflon for your engine? Can, not as an additive. You can coat your journal bearings with teflon to reduce friction. But Teflon is not exactly scratch resistance thus foreign particles in the oil will remove the coating after sometime.

 

Btw, this cermaic alloy is NOT an additive and it CANNOT be applied like an additive. You can only coat the material with either pulsed laser deposition or magnetron spluttering. ITs mainly used in cutting bits because its harder than normal material like tungsten carbide and much cheaper than Diamond and lower in friction.

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Anyway like I said earlier, I will never use any new products which have not been tried & tested.

 

I screwed up several engines in the past when I always try new stuff & it costs me a bomb in the end.

 

I think better to let the car manufacturers do the testing & if it is really good, they wil put it in their cars already.

 

Sorry but I have seen so many Snake Oils being sold already, I just done have any faith in these "products" anymore.

Edited March 6, 2010 by Pisces69

[Pisces69]

Yes, I am promoting the awareness of it. I am also curious and constantly on the look out for things that could improve power and efficiency. When I find something good, I will post here to share with everyone.

 

I am currently rebuilding my engine and is looking for ways to improve it. Reducing friction will reduce heat, improve power and improve its lifespan and reliability. Things like piston rings and journal bearings are EXTREMELY INEFFICIENT! My quest for improvement lead me to this ceramic alloy.

 

I am now thinking of sending my clyinder sleeves, pistons and rings + journals for them to coat (assuming its possible and not too expensive).

 

They say need to sign some non-disclosure agreement before they can say more things to me......WTF....

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Hahaha.

 

OK so why dont u go ahead & try & then post the results in a month or so after u have done your tests.

 

We await your field report then

 

Thanks.

[Nmnhnlm]

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Anyway like I said earlier, I will never use any new products which have not been tried & tested.

 

I screwed up several engines in the past when I always try new stuff & it costs me a bomb in the end.

 

I think better to let the car manufacturers do the testing & if it is really good, they wil put it in their cars already.

 

Sorry but I have seen so many Snake Oils being sold already, I just done have any faith in these "products" anymore.

 

Bro I am curious, why you didn't try alusil coating for your engine instead? BMW has been using this coating for their engines for quite sometime already. Its to prevent wear and tear to the cylinder walls. Of course, if you have cylinder liners then its not necessary.

[Pisces69]

Bro I am curious, why you didn't try alusil coating for your engine instead? BMW has been using this coating for their engines for quite sometime already. Its to prevent wear and tear to the cylinder walls. Of course, if you have cylinder liners then its not necessary.

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I think all engines have cylinder liners.

 

So mine also sud have so I dont need then.

 

Thanks anyway.

 

BTW, I wil wait to see your field report after u have got it done & tested.