Mit Colt Version R

[Accordvtec]

in terms of performance and technology,yes...in terms of pricing,definitely no-no

[Xrdude]

i too cant convinced myself to get the manual cvr even though still within my budget....

the price really

[Dinkydong]

Have to take exception to yr statement concerning the previous Lancer. The 1.6 GLXi (M) may be fine but for those who remembered or owned the 97- Lancer MR Mivec, its a nightmare. Poor performance and extremely bad fuel economy, especially the automatic models (280km for a full tank!). You can practically pick any MR on the road and strap it to the dyno. Average readings of 120hp @ the wheels (approx 140hp at the engine), way short of the claimed 175hp There were also reliability issues with the engine. Hopefully the newer models have improved w/o overstating performance specs.

[Weihui]

I think that 97 Lancer MR MIVEC was not tuned for using local octane 98 fuel. I believe the 175bhp claim was dyno-ed in Japan with premium oil (octane 100 or above). CVR and CPT have dyno results liao. One of the CVR was dyno-ed in Australia, result is more than expected. CPTs are dyno-ed locally, match what was claimed (torque was slightly more than claimed).

[Dinkydong]

The discrepancy has nothing to do with fuel octane. The dyno results tallied with a reputable Japanese tuning company who dynoed a Japanese MR (they were developing a set of performance cams for the car). A diff of 2 octane points (ignition retarding) cannot possibly result in such a huge power loss (assuming its a contributing factor). Apart from other factors, an over-rich a/f mixture was the main culprit.

[Weihui]

Well, I am not sure about the cam thing. But octane makes huge difference on bhp. Check out the clip below:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaPQLV5i4ks

 

High performance engine can perform better on high octane fuel.

[Dinkydong]

The huge power difference shown on the video applies to the Subaru only, a forced induction engine. Higher octane != higher power / torque, its merely more resistant to detonation/pinging. This is especially applicable to forced induction engines due to their high dynamic compression. W/O the detonation/pinging holding back ignition timing and/or boost level, u can achieve better performance. In which case, even in this forced induction example, there wasnt a 35hp jump was there? Also, i will not view this as anything conclusive for octane performance since they were using different brands of petrol. There's a whole lot more to just octane levels for engines to realise their max potential. Dont forget the addictives and composition as well.

 

In the context of the Lancer MR, its NOTHING to do with the 98 octane fuel vs 100 octane fuel. Dont be mislead by the brochure u have probably seen, mentioning 175ps (RON 100). Just FYI, the MR was dynoed using 98 octane fuel with octane booster anyhow. I really dont see how a 2pt octane difference (98 vs 100) can account for a loss of 35HP is an NA engine

[Fsrkia]

the lancer mr is the lancer with sunroof DOHC ?

when the last batch?

[Weihui]

That's exactly my point. MR MIVEC with high compression ratio (though it not FI) will react better with high octane fuel.

 

Some local Suzuki Swift Sport owner complained about engine knocking even when they have pumped octane 98 fuel. After some discussion, they somehow concluded that, PI version (direct JDM) is the one will be likely to face this problem. While the SSS from local distributor do not face that problem most likely due to some "de-tuning" before entering local market.

 

Hence, I was just making some assumption, the MR MIVEC that was launched locally "might" be de-tuned and lost some power. Of course, you can stand by the statement Mitsubishi over declared the power on paper and I have no problem with that (may be a desperate counter measure towards Honda's SiR)

 

Higher octane = high power "iff" engine = high performance.

[Fsrkia]

means SiR must be pumped with high octane fuel to get its power?

[Fsrkia]

how much PI quote for manual CVR?

[Weihui]

Not a must. If engine does not exhibit knocking problem, can stay with lower octane to cut cost. A general guide for you:

Compression ratio______Octane

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5:1______72

6:1______81

7:1______87

8:1______92

9:1______96

10:1______100

11:1______104

12:1______108

[Ifritdesigns]

hi guys, wondering if the back seat is a 2 seater or a 3 seater... any pics or info?

[Dinkydong]

the lancer mr is the lancer with sunroof DOHC ?

when the last batch?

 

Yep, its the one launched in 97 DOHC 1.6 MIVEC with Sunroof. I'm not sure when was the last batch, 99 perhaps..

[Metalslug]

Have to take exception to yr statement concerning the previous Lancer. The 1.6 GLXi (M) may be fine but for those who remembered or owned the 97- Lancer MR Mivec, its a nightmare. Poor performance and extremely bad fuel economy, especially the automatic models (280km for a full tank!). You can practically pick any MR on the road and strap it to the dyno. Average readings of 120hp @ the wheels (approx 140hp at the engine), way short of the claimed 175hp There were also reliability issues with the engine. Hopefully the newer models have improved w/o overstating performance specs.

I second that. as for higher octane fuel leading to higher hp, that just doesnt make any sense. if true, everyone can get 30more horses just by using octane booster!

[Dinkydong]

means SiR must be pumped with high octane fuel to get its power?

 

 

No, the SiR with the B16A engine DOES NOT need high octane fuel to get its power. There are many examples of SiRs running Malaysia's 97 octane petrol EASILY achieving the rated specs. As a matter of fact, you can practically strap any healthy SiR to the dyno and u'll get close to 170ps at the engine. Even a modified one with 189hp @ the wheels (stroked to 1.8, compression: 10.8, racing cams) do fine with 97 octane fuel. Thats the reason why a stock 97 MR with never outperform ANY stock SiR.

Edited January 8, 2007 by Dinkydong

[Ram_ram]

It's a 2 seater...

[Ram_ram]

Accordvtec already said $70+. Easily $5k more for manual...