Jonbummer Neutral Newbie July 26, 2007 Share July 26, 2007 was just waiting for the outcome this whole evening.. and thankfully, the sports and the Silver Arrow are not penalized by actions of individuals ------------------------- The FIA World Motor Sports Council has decided not to impose any penalty on McLaren. The FIA said after the hearing that it would pursue action against Coughlan and Ferrari engineer Nigel Stepney. The governing body said that there was no doubt that the team's chief designer Mike Coughlan had had the leaked information but there was no proof that McLaren had benefited from it. The FIA reserved the right to summon McLaren again if it was suspected that the team had made use of any of the data. The full FIA statement read: "An extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council was held in Paris on 26 July, 2007. The following decision was taken: ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahyoo2002 2nd Gear July 26, 2007 Share July 26, 2007 Huh, McLaren clear w/o any penalty? Unbelievable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vblaster_w211 2nd Gear July 26, 2007 Share July 26, 2007 Can prove individuals' guilt, but not the team, or if the team as a whole benefitted from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc 3rd Gear July 26, 2007 Share July 26, 2007 Darn, justice has no eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer 4th Gear July 26, 2007 Share July 26, 2007 Second that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonbummer Neutral Newbie July 27, 2007 Author Share July 27, 2007 further reaction from parties & analysis of the situation tho i gathered there isn;t many McLaren fan here at all.. ----- A decision based on facts and realities When Ron Dennis emerged from the six hour hearing of the FIA World Motor Sport Council, he said: "The punishment fits the crime". That said it all. By the letter of the FIA law, McLaren may have been guilty, but the team had been the victim of a rogue employee and in such a circumstance taking action against the team would have needed a great deal of proof of collusion, which clearly did not exist. Indeed, there is an argument - which McLaren may have used in the court - that Ferrari might also have been judged guilty if it had been called before the World Council because the alleged activities of its former employee Nigel Stepney, as these actions might also have been judged to have brought the sport into disrepute. That argument may not have much validity but it was a legal point nonetheless. However, apart from the naive or those with a grudge, there are very few people in F1 circles who ever believed that McLaren would have used any Ferrari data to its advantage. The team has an unblemished reputation. The World Council studied all the available information, including court papers such as Mike Coughlan's affadavit, and thus was in a position to judge fairly and impartially on whether McLaren had done anything wrong. Ferrari director Marco Piccinini, who also sits on the World Council, stood down in this particular case, to avoid a clash of interest. Ferrari has nonetheless responded to the World Council decision with anger, saying that McLaren was "found guilty by the FIA World Council" and that it is "incomprehensible that violating the fundamental principle of sporting honesty does not have, as a logical and inevitable consequence, the application of a sanction". Ferrari goes on to say that the World Council's decision "legitimises dishonest behaviour in Formula 1 and sets a very serious precedent" and is "highly prejudicial to the credibility of the sport". Ferrari says it will continue with the legal actions in Italy and England. These remarks will not go down well with the FIA, although they will do no harm at all as it is not in the interest of the federation to always be in agreement with the Italian team. There is another question which has yet to be answered: how was it that so much negative publicity about McLaren appeared, primarily in the Italian press, claiming to be based on Coughlan's affadavit. And did this coverage not bring the sport into disrepute far more than what had actually been happening at McLaren? The key question in this issue was who was feeding out information in Italy to create this "trial by media". There are a limited number of possible suspects and you do not need to be good at Cluedo to work out that apart from Coughlan himself and court officials in London (most of whom are probably not regular readers of the Italian dailies), the only people with access to the Coughlan affadavits were McLaren, the FIA and Ferrari. McLaren had nothing to gain from revealing details of the documents and the FIA had more to lose than to gain and that meant that the prime suspect when it came to the leaks was Ferrari. The Italian team says that it did not leak anything to anyone and suggests that the Italian press invented it all. McLaren clearly believes that the stories were deliberately created to damage its reputation. It is not impossible that this might end up with legal action over damage to the reputations of those involved, although this would probably not be a very wise course of action for either party. It does nonetheless highlight the level of bad feeling that now exists between the two teams. http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19455.html McLaren has reacted to the findings of the FIA World Council. "Following an appearance by McLaren today at the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris, a unanimous decision has been taken by the FIA which in McLaren's opinion is very balanced and fair," the team said. "McLaren accepts the that the FIA World Motor Sport Council had no alternative other than to find that there was a purely technical breach by reason of the possession of certain information by one individual at his home, without McLaren's knowledge or authority. "McLaren is delighted that the World Motor Sport Council determined that this information was not used and accordingly imposed no sanction whatsoever on the team. McLaren looks forward to continuing its fight in what is the most exciting Drivers' and Constructors' World Championship in many years." Team boss Ron Dennis said that: "There is no doubt that the past 24 days have been challenging and the tremendous support we have received from our sponsor partners and the public has been much appreciated. Moving forward McLaren wants to re-affirm our long-standing commitment to honesty and integrity and re-state that we believe we have acted correctly throughout. Now, we have Formula 1 World Championships to win. As a result we intend to move on, so as to maintain the focus and commitment required to do exactly that." http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19456.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relagsingh 4th Gear July 27, 2007 Share July 27, 2007 this whole saga is more than meets the eye... duno what that 2 monkeys, coughlan and stepney were up to. in a sensitive sport like F1, how can they afford to slip up? it seems like everything is staged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc 3rd Gear July 27, 2007 Share July 27, 2007 Yeah, time to bring this "sensitive" sports to squeaky clean Singapore ... then we see what happen ... hehe ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonbummer Neutral Newbie August 1, 2007 Author Share August 1, 2007 more than meet the eyes? or someone just trying to pull stunts? can't we just get some good racing... tsktsk -------------------- Ferrari gets an appeal Ferrari has been given the right to appeal to the FIA International Court of Appeal, following a letter from Luigi Macaluso, the head of the Italian national sporting authority CSAI, to Max Mosley. Macaluso, who was in the news last week claiming that he was in favour of Ferrari at the World Council but later being revealed as having voted for no punishment for McLaren, said that Ferrari should have the right to an appeal because of the serious nature of the case and the fact that Ferrari was not allowed an active involvement in the recent World Council meeting. This has been granted by the FIA. Max Mosley's letter in reply to Macaluso goes through elements of the case and lists a number of suspicions about McLaren, none of which could be proved at the World Council. Given that Macaluso obviously knows all the details of the case, having sat through six hours of the World Council, it is odd to include all this information in the letter, particularly as all the information listed will be taken up and quoted widely. The FIA says that the details were included to try to explain why the decision was taken given the level of criticism that there has been of the FIA. There is a possibility that this will be interpreted as the FIA feeding the fires around McLaren, which is probably not what the federation needs in a case where it is important to be seen to be scrupulously objective. McLaren has responded angrily to the news. "Following a thoroughly misleading press campaign by Ferrari and pressure from the Automobile Club d Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortress Clutched August 1, 2007 Share August 1, 2007 (edited) Am a Ferrari fan... In this case, it is a competition that the viewers have lost. In my view, MClaren has better drivers than Ferrari. MClaren are having more reliable cars. Ferrari has the faster car. If MClaren wins, it sounds like cheating, in my view, than if they got disqualified, which is rightly so, then Ferrari wins it in the courts. Edited August 1, 2007 by Fortress Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonbummer Neutral Newbie August 1, 2007 Author Share August 1, 2007 sorry, did not understand your view completely but at the moment it does seems the defendant, McLaren, is been trial by media. all the info that the media (mainly Italian newspapers) is being fed with now is likely to be from Ferrari. one beg the qnn why? why did Ferrari wants to leak information that 'tarnished' & guilt McLaren? is the Silver Arrow really gulity? if Ferrari have damning evidence as suggested by them, many agreed they will already bring all and whoever to court. a big IF for now.. let's be neutral for awhile. also, if Ferrari is only crying WOLF without any sound backing, which at the end of the days FIA could deem McLaren innocent AGAIN, can McLaren later in the season counter-sue them for slander and apparent image tarnish(which could worth millions in sponsorship)? personally, i just like to have all the talks be be done on the racetracks. but, we all know, F1 is more than that... but how much more to individual team is relativel cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortress Clutched August 1, 2007 Share August 1, 2007 Agree on the last point, on the track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Neutral Newbie August 4, 2007 Share August 4, 2007 The wonderful entertainment of the F1 circus, on and off the track Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortress Clutched August 4, 2007 Share August 4, 2007 Agree....somehow Mclaren is lucky to have walked away not punished, for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En0203 2nd Gear August 4, 2007 Share August 4, 2007 wan to see ferrari win again must see next year already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendstar Supercharged August 4, 2007 Share August 4, 2007 I USED to be a Mclaren fan Ferrari all the way for me now! PS: the reason is not becos of this incident Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En0203 2nd Gear August 4, 2007 Share August 4, 2007 yea, me too, i was mclaren fan until alonso cut in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheekg98 1st Gear August 4, 2007 Share August 4, 2007 next year u got to watch F1 at MY and SG ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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