New VW Passat

[Edrollbrick]

Must be the FSI and non-turbo that's why it is more economical. My old S80 only average 12 to 13L/100km, but it is a heavier car and max torque at 2200rpm, with the LPT turbo it is actually quite economical on NS, average 8 to 10L/100km depending on how I press the throttle.

 

Maybe the 2.0TFSI will be less economical, but for the power, you will have to give some.

[Wtee]

at over 110K Passat is still a premium .

if $$$ is a concern, go for the Opel Vetra at only 92K or wait for the Ford Mondeo next year, both should offer as good handling, albeit less features. then again, do u need all the advanced features for a start?

 

IMHO, c&c should consider to reduce their passat price or at least upgrade the customer service.....If you want me to vote for luosy service in car sales, VW will top the list.

 

For their current price, you can buy a S60 and many other marque.

[Edrollbrick]

Well. they gave me the car 5days after registration & with only 1 key. Blame it on the LTA latest Computer system that I know the exact time of registration and press for delivery. Then only,did I hear there was a small damage nobody saw. And on collection no one knows where the key went missing or HOW!!.

 

To think the manager was supposed to have call me (after my fax message to my SF, that he was supposed to have forwarded to the high and mighty manager) but until now still has no reply from anyone. "Anyone from CnC sieving through this forum?"

 

Cannot blame my SF, he did his best to PR and protect CNC and trying to keep me happy.

 

But the fact remains, CNC do not seem to bother. Maybe they feel the iconic VW is already enough to keep customers coming back.

 

Till today less than 2 months, already my keyless touch entry/close is failing on the driver side. Hopefully this can be solved in 1 day during the 5k checkup. But given the feeling I have about VW Singapore and CNC tussle on import/dealership thingy, from what I saw them messing up with my replacement key programming is control by Germany), I think it will take some time for them to evaluate the case before approving the vouchers allowing warranty to be claim.

 

The above have been facts that I have witnessed from buying my Passat from CnC. Really dread to think if I had made a wrong choice in getting a VW.

Edited May 1, 2006 by Edrollbrick

[Miles]

well, u did not make the wrong choice. VW passat IS a very good car.

but all the problem u are facing i believe are faced by every one who bought the car. its not new to VW.

 

i used to own a bora. went thru similar experience ... but perhaps not so many problems like u. keyless entry button failing after only 2 months is bad. i am sure latio taht cost half the price of passat that has similar keyless entry button do have this problem.

engine whirling sound is typical of FSI engine. so its normal.

 

the high quality and reliability UK press have been raving about is the engine part of it. not so sure about the others.

 

about c+c, they are only interested in selling the car. problem solving part of the problem belongs VGS.

 

good luck to ur car ownership experience of a vw.

[oomph]

Yup its 2 issues here, local agent (Cars and cars ?) and VW itself.

 

Due to monopolies over the warranty of the imported cars, local agent service do tend to fall below customer expectations - bmw and merc also comes to mind, possibly because of the higher priced charged (?) compared to the jap makes. audi is probably an exception - i hear that their service is quite good. (probably try harder as they're still small).

 

On vw itself, the new passat is a Version 1, expect some of these issues to be sorted out in time.

 

As for the reliability of VW's in general, I owned the Passat Plus, a matured model nearing end-of-life, which proved on the whole to be extremely problem free. However I sold it at the 5 year point where real issues started to show, though the overhaul at this point would extend the good ride by another 5 years easily. Guess this is how VW has "engineered" its obsolescence to manage downtime.

 

I sold it at the 5.5 year mark though as the overhaul costs >10% of the value of the car. OMV is rather low compared to retail price.

[Edrollbrick]

Wirl of the 4cylinder is more like throaty sound, its OK.

Yes, Agree car as a whole has been pleasant, build quality and details have been good. But just to poke more gripes that are not too serious, 2 gapping holes above the door locking mechanism have missing rubber plugs at delivery but like I say, missed out somehow.. To think of it now, not sure if these were missed out or there were rectification to the keyless sensors and someone somewhere along the line did not bother to finish the job.

 

Looking at CnC, seems even before VW Singapore took over the importer role, some forumers have already faced the same problem.

 

I have quite a few conti cars before from Advance, SM, even Regent, all had been quite professional in dealing with customers. Especially SM, not cheap to maintain but have been the most , but hear now is not that great.

[Edrollbrick]

Yeah, 5 year syndrome on conti cars seem to be major..

But a different perspective was an old 405, had it until the 10th year and really no major problems at all other than brake pads or wear and tear and engine oil change. Too bad changing dealerships until brand is totally wiped out.

With "Desperate Housewives" and the sexy CC models are moving.

 

On my Passat, Did remind myself of 1st year model syndrome. But never did prepare myself for dealership attitude. Could have bought a "cheaper problem" 1st year lexus.

[oomph]

however you have great support at vagsg - the guys there are the best petrolheads i've come across, honest and helpful. good active classifieds section there too. anyways most guys use "outside" help when they can. there's also xinzhong, an established vw parts stockist, if you have the time.

 

Some unexpected parts that required replacements on the 2000 model -

- air flow sensor $250 (5th year)

- door lock mechanism $280 (3rd year, front left door only)

- turn indicator switch $80 (2nd and 4th year)

- antenna base $10 (disintegrated by 4th year)

- rear boot lock $warranty (1st year)

- windscreen wiper motor $warranty (1st year)

 

Otherwise the ride was solid, even after chipping from 150hps to 200hps (+33%).

 

btw the 2000-1004 passats used to have very *loud* mechanical actuators on their door locks - did they finally got rid of them ?

[Edrollbrick]

Yep, it was partly due to the active forumers here and Vagsg that I finally swing to try the new Passat.

 

No problem on getting acquainted with outside workshops, had been doing that with most of other cars. Only that most new cars with all the computer upload that the guys outside may not have yet till given some time later. DUring which time, how good the dealerships workshop are can be quite telling on future cars that one may buy again if experience is bad.

[oomph]

then enjoy the ride .... you'll soon get used to the idiosyncracies of veedubs... its also part of the very rich and meaninful community thing that it supports.

 

take a look at lexus - no problems, no forums, no communities.

[Kanr]

true ,bro!!Good car to drive with no regrets!!!

[Twixified]

haha you are right bro. If you guys realise, those who drive veedubs n audis know and play alot with their cars. I feel that VAG owners really know how to appreciate the car and know whats going on under the hood. No offence to anyone but you shouldn't be surprised when someone driving a mercs doesn't even know what is an ECU or to the extreme, does not even know how to open the car's bonnet! The main purpose is to enjoy your ride and I really wonder issit because that veedub owners know too much about their ride, so much so that they get really fussy over small issues. Maybe its not always the car that has problem. Its the driver who seeks for total perfection.

[Saabest]

I do not have such problems with my Y2000 Passat that I had disposed of last year. My problems were: power steering bearing shaft replaced at 55,000km, coolant reservior tubing leaks at 40,000km, brake rotors replaced aftyer skimming twice, otherwise was atrouble-free car for nearly 5 years. After hearing the nightmare service at C&C, I am hesitant to own a Passat again although I quite like the new model! I am waiting for the all new Saab 9-5 in a year's time!

[See_nik]

Wirl of the 4cylinder is more like throaty sound, its OK.

........Looking at CnC, seems even before VW Singapore took over the importer role, some forumers have already faced the same problem.

 

I have quite a few conti cars before from Advance, SM, even Regent, all had been quite professional in dealing with customers. Especially SM, not cheap to maintain but have been the most , but hear now is not that great.

Have FOUR colleagues who traded in their Beetle (1), Bora (1) and Passats (2) for S60s (3) and RAV4 (1). Main reason - CRAPPY after sales service.

[Edrollbrick]

Yeh, for now will have to bear with it otherwise sell now "lao sai".

[Edrollbrick]

Actually, take note of the mother company when you look for cars. Management style may be the same. But if die-die like the car then will have to live with it.

 

For me, I know most likely which will consider in about 3 years time, VW will likely not make the list again.

[Edrollbrick]

Wirl of the 4cylinder is more like throaty sound, its OK.

Yes, Agree car as a whole has been pleasant, build quality and details have been good. But just to poke more gripes that are not too serious, 2 gapping holes above the door locking mechanism have missing rubber plugs at delivery but like I say, missed out somehow.. To think of it now, not sure if these were missed out or there were rectification to the keyless sensors and someone somewhere along the line did not bother to finish the job.

 

Looking at CnC, seems even before VW Singapore took over the importer role, some forumers have already faced the same problem.

 

I have quite a few conti cars before from Advance, SM, even Regent, all had been quite professional in dealing with customers. Especially SM, not cheap to maintain but have been the most , but hear now is not that great.

 

typo-error should read: Especially SM, not cheap to maintain but have been the most customer friendly and professional. Merc was not bad but hear it is not that great now.

Edited May 3, 2006 by Edrollbrick

[Saabest]

How long is the car warranty period? Usually 2 years, if service is still no good & ex-$, there is a workshop in Sin Ming that specialise in servicing & trouble-shoot VW cars. I think the name is Servotronic. If you like the car, why not stay with it?