Superb 2007

[Firstcall]

Well the modes mentioned in my thread are all auto trans, ie between Skoda Superb 1.8T Comfort model(Auto) vs. Volkswagen Passat 2.0FSI SE Model (Auto).

 

Here is another comparison for basic model:

(1) Skoda Superb 1.8T Classic Auto : Sterling Pound: 15,245

(2) Volkswagen Passat 2.0S FSI Auto: Sterling Pound: 15,727

 

Again, it shows Skoda Superb and Volkswagen Passat are priced at the same level in UK, yet satisfaction goes to Superb.

 

May i ask where u get the price info??

[Firstcall]

Now let me show you a fact that external size does not translated directly into interior space, which is more important.

 

Seat comfort for passengers depends on 3 key measurements:

Leg room - Room in which to stretch the legs while seated, it decides on how comfortable you can place your leg while sitting in the car

Head room

[Firstcall]

 

there is another thing that puzzles me:

on this site http://www.skoda-auto.com/global/model/superb/facts/ it says

'elbow room' rather than the usual shoulder room. which is correct, given that the dimension measure up to the edge of the door panel where the passenger rest his elbow. when a person sit, one tends to spread the elbow more, therefore technically, shoulder room should be shorter. I'm interested to know what is the measurement from the edge of the rear seat, which excludes the side arm rest. but diff manufacturers uses diff standards to describe. Perhaps that consider more accurately as shoulder or hip room...?

 

Can someone do an actual measurement?

[Koolaba]

Here you go:

http://www.skoda.co.uk/skoda3g/content/sho...rb/pricing.aspx

[Firstcall]

ey...waz that? oh u mean the pricing... I know abt Superb, but I was asking him abt Passat...coz he said Passat auto arn the price that of Superb... hmm juust took a look at

 

http://www.vw.co.uk/assets/pdf/new_passat_...n_pricelist.pdf

 

the cheapest official price for 2.0FSI tiptronic version cost $18,085.00

 

so I really wonder where the 15k+ price came from.

 

hey btw can u try do the lateral measurement for the rear seat excl the arm rest?

 

actually I didn't say it is not spacious or a squeeze but of just that when u compare to the outstanding super class leading space for the legroom and absolutely way ahead of all competitions, the width dont seems to get that kind of clear edge.

[Firstcall]

frankly the earlier lot of discussions wasn't about the spaciousness of Superb.

It wasn't a disputed fact of its overall interior spaciousness, tho lateral width comparisons is debatable, the width by that measurement is by not small so 3 persons certainly has no prob so objectively, no, I have no qualms about overall spaciousness.

 

As for the front driver's footwell, my personal feel after 2 drives is still the same, i find the left foot rest impaired, i could not put my whole foot there...another aspect is the acc/brake pedal positioning and these are subjective and based personal preference.

 

As for the only main 'cons' that I concurr with most UK magazines that I believe it is not as well handling as many other marques, jap or european- but it is still by no means lousy. then again I pointed out that that is not Skoda's main objective or strength and does not really matter in this segment. In UK maybe, due to the kind of road we have, but in local context it is more than good esp when one compares with Camrys and Cefiros. I'm sure it is good enough for me. Super handling isn't my highest priority. It is just good to have.

 

As for Fluffy's key points are the price over specs/equipments and other aspects. So that is his objective comparisons and there is nothing wrong with that. I dont think he said Superb is bad but just that his just that his objectives are different.

 

As for satisfaction, that is subjective, almost everybody who got thier new car feels very satisfied minus the agent support, only a matter will tell how long it will last. But then again I believe Superb owners will be satisfied for quite a long time.

 

And just in case anyone thought that I'm falling out with Superb or trying to stir some honest nest, no...I'm just bringing some aspects into perspective. Technically or not, no car is perfect in all areas but it can be perfect for someone's requirement. So fact is fact, if handling is not that perfect so be it, it is not lousy, if boot space is smaller than most competitor, so be it a stated fact, it is still not small but at the end, whether does it really matter is up to personal requirements. Perhaps I'm too 'editorial' (due to work influences) where there is always a need for balancing act to be honest, unbiased view to highlight the 'cons'. When I evaluate my 'car evaluation spreadheet' I scrutinise all areas based on my requirements and give marks across each make for each of the many distinctive requirements, subjective preferences included.

 

And for all that matters, Superb still the tops my list. In fact so much so that it is on my laptop and my mobile phone's wallpaper.

[Tiewsh]

I get the data from Yahoo! Cars UK under new car segment. There you can also have a look at their rating on Superb.

 

Regarding to elbow room, this was the first thing I checked when I got my car because I can't get anything regarding definition of elbow room at that time. For your info, the measurement of 1436 is what I got when I used my measurement tape to measure at the shoulder level which is also about the same at the elbow area. So there after, I presume Superb Shoulder room = elbow room.

 

Actually my intention is to provide correct info to those who are interested in Skoda Superb and to show that external dimension does not translated directly into internal space. I have respond to you after you mentioned the following:

"hey another interesting fact... Superb has super long legroom but bcos they only lengthen old Passat platform and did not widden it, the width sadly lose out almost all 2.0l mid size class cars including the 'smaller class' Octavia.

 

Anyway, there is a limitation of what you can do with extra leg room too...i mean, after crossing the legs, that's it...no one can sit in front... but a wider car, at least 3 can sit comfortably side by side....."

 

What I can say is that it is a clever strategy of Skoda to provide "extra bit" compared to same segment. The width is the same compared to 2.0-2.4 liter but cabin space is at a class higher. To relate to what Skoda says about Superb, it is 3 words- "Space", "Equipment" and "Value"

[Tiewsh]

I fully agree with you. Nothing is perfect in this world. There are in facts pros and cons for each car. It depends on personal preference. I might be very concern with rear passenger space but others might not. I do not appreciate agile handling but again some do put this in their first to check list. Same goes to boot space and brand value. So, we buy what we think fit to us - "diversity"

[Cccs]

Yes, i concur with u. The driver's footwell is a little tight. I can't rest my left leg 'comfortably' too.

[Fluffy]

i still feel that a OMV ~$25k and priced ~$85k car, although it's big, should have more features, etc for that price.

 

space is good, realiability is good, engine is moddable but with at this price, you'd be surprised what other cars are in the market offer.

 

pls don't confuse this with the malaysian superb which has most everything..... the singapore superb from czech auto is pretty spartan.

 

for less than $80k, you could get the Vectra 1.8 MTA with better handling, better FC,etc. The market for this segment isn't stagnant with more new models coming in, new camry, etc.

 

THe superb has been here for many years, it isn't new and perhaps Czech auto might want to relook and rethink when they bring in the 2006 Face-lifted model by improving the specs and lowering the prices to a more realistic level. The superb will have more competition next year with the new Mondeo.

 

and perhaps, bring in more colors to choose from too.......

[Koolaba]

i still feel that a OMV ~$25k and priced ~$85k car, although it's big, should have more features, etc for that price.

 

space is good, realiability is good, engine is moddable but with at this price, you'd be surprised what other cars are in the market offer.

 

pls don't confuse this with the malaysian superb which has most everything..... the singapore superb from czech auto is pretty spartan.

 

for less than $80k, you could get the Vectra 1.8 MTA with better handling, better FC,etc. The market for this segment isn't stagnant with more new models coming in, new camry, etc.

 

THe superb has been here for many years, it isn't new and perhaps Czech auto might want to relook and rethink when they bring in the 2006 Face-lifted model by improving the specs and lowering the prices to a more realistic level. The superb will have more competition next year with the new Mondeo.

 

and perhaps, bring in more colors to choose from too.......

 

Very true.

 

I hope that these remarks are well-appreciated, not miscontrued as attacks, by the decision makers in CA, if they really want to bring up the Skoda brand in Singapore.

 

In my opinion, there is a need to differentiate the Superbs which are sold to taxi companies and Superbs which will be registered as private cars. In addition to the current Classic trim, the Comfort, Elegance and even L&K trims should be made available to the consumers.

[Tashi]

if CA can't bring in the options pre-built, at the very least, they should contemplate bringing in all the options, trims, and even compatible after-market stuff, to give the Skoda owners some flexibility. It does seem many car owners in SG has a leaning to have more options, rather than less. That would add "color" to the Skoda scene. The UK and DE scenes are so vibrant for the Skoda marque. Sadly, the Skoda marque seems a bit like a child kept outside the door.

 

And of course, I speak as a paid customer.

 

bless

tashi

[Fluffy]

i totally agree with you, koolaba and tashi.

 

the Superb is the flagship of the skoda marque.

 

nowadays, most family cars, even small family cars like the focus mk II come fully specced out.

 

the focus Mk II Ghia comes with sunroof, dual zone climatronic, adaptive headlights, powered front driver seat, aero wipers, cruise control, etc. as STANDARD.

 

if they want to market the Superb FL, knowing that this same market currently has the new camry, the new vectra 1.8MTA (with remarkable 14km/litre), the new A6 2.0T, the Alfa 159, the Accord, Civic 1.8, new 2007 Mondeo, Passat, etc.

 

Most of the above come with very nice HU, automatic everything imaginable, some come with HIDs, some with ESP, like the focus, some with dual zone aircon, some with powered seats, some with factory leather, some with sunroofs, some with very good FC as they have NEW engines, some with 6 speed transmissions with pedal shifters, 5 years warranty etc.

 

The game as moved on and to be competitive in the market Czech auto needs to be generous with the specifications and provide more to compensate for the car which is already quite old running on the previous generation passat platform running on previous gen running gear and previous gen 1.8T (now they have the 1.8TFSi).

 

But just because it's old, doesn't mean it has to be worse off than the new cars out there. It has space in bucketloads, a moddable engine and a nice 5 speed tiptronic. But they need to add more stuff in, including replacing that ancient blaupunkt so that at least it is competitive.

 

I hope they also price the face-lifted Superb better.

They have a good car to begin with, i hope they do a better job of selling it.

 

cheers!

[Guest66]

wow..so is your ride near to 400BHP ? .mus be e fastest skoda here!

what can one mod wz 7K?..

sorry..jap owner lar..jus wanna know abt conti makes..

 

 

 

Yup,

 

Dont forget the running cost....2.4L rd tax is $2.1k yearly....1.8L only $1.2k...At least the 1.8T is moddable to 400bhp+ with the 7K savings...

[Fisheye]

No lar..my car still so new how to go mod??? later warranty void...After 3 years then see how. One of the main reasons for getting this car is really the engine. Its one of the most versatile engines ever made so there's lots of mods and upgrades that can be done to refresh this car over the period of 10 years ownership. By just looking at Audi and VW prices for their 1.8T vs the 2L models (A4s, passats etc) and you'll see that the 1.8T commands almost $15K more in selling price over the 2L models.

[Firstcall]

I get the data from Yahoo! Cars UK under new car segment. There you can also have a look at their rating on Superb.

 

Regarding to elbow room, this was the first thing I checked when I got my car because I can't get anything regarding definition of elbow room at that time. For your info, the measurement of 1436 is what I got when I used my measurement tape to measure at the shoulder level which is also about the same at the elbow area. So there after, I presume Superb Shoulder room = elbow room.

 

Actually my intention is to provide correct info to those who are interested in Skoda Superb and to show that external dimension does not translated directly into internal space. I have respond to you after you mentioned the following:

"hey another interesting fact... Superb has super long legroom but bcos they only lengthen old Passat platform and did not widden it, the width sadly lose out almost all 2.0l mid size class cars including the 'smaller class' Octavia.

 

Anyway, there is a limitation of what you can do with extra leg room too...i mean, after crossing the legs, that's it...no one can sit in front... but a wider car, at least 3 can sit comfortably side by side....."

 

What I can say is that it is a clever strategy of Skoda to provide "extra bit" compared to same segment. The width is the same compared to 2.0-2.4 liter but cabin space is at a class higher. To relate to what Skoda says about Superb, it is 3 words- "Space", "Equipment" and "Value"

 

Yup my statement on the first para is true, the width, reference to ext width lose out to most of other makes. And yes I' was also not convinced on the absolute superiority of interior width as compared to the legroom but hey dont misquote me...I did not quote the 2nd para. I never did say it is not spacious enough for 3 or whatsoever.

 

btw when you did the measurement, was it from the edge of the left door armrest to the edge of right door armrest? Superb's term for elbow room is correct in that manner. Because the elbow extend beyond a person's shoulder width, and when one sits normally, the elbow extends further out at an angle not perpendicular to the elbow. However the mesurement from left edge of the seat to the right edge of the seat will certainly be smaller- which determines the bum space and depending on the seat design, it may be wider than the shoulder room. If 1436mm is measured from the edge of the bum seat, then the full measurement of elbow room should be even wider. There is no official measurement for the that.

 

and regarding the car price...as i said earlier the official price stays true, it definetly cost 1-2uk$ more than Superb. But as I say, one can always try to get agent discounts. The Yahoo site basically list all the online car dealers some with good discounts while some dont. I'm sure if we find hard enough, we can find as good discount for Superb as well may it be yahoo or elsewhere-it all depends on each dealer and options. And the 'S' model is the most bare basic model one can get for Passat. So all things equal, the benchmark should always be set against the official price.

[Firstcall]

Yes, i concur with u. The driver's footwell is a little tight. I can't rest my left leg 'comfortably' too.

 

I really wonder why.... perhaps because of the big transmission tunnel?

 

i wonder if that also the same case with Passat..?

Edited October 13, 2006 by Firstcall

[Firstcall]

i still feel that a OMV ~$25k and priced ~$85k car, although it's big, should have more features, etc for that price.

 

space is good, realiability is good, engine is moddable but with at this price, you'd be surprised what other cars are in the market offer.

 

pls don't confuse this with the malaysian superb which has most everything..... the singapore superb from czech auto is pretty spartan.

 

for less than $80k, you could get the Vectra 1.8 MTA with better handling, better FC,etc. The market for this segment isn't stagnant with more new models coming in, new camry, etc.

 

THe superb has been here for many years, it isn't new and perhaps Czech auto might want to relook and rethink when they bring in the 2006 Face-lifted model by improving the specs and lowering the prices to a more realistic level. The superb will have more competition next year with the new Mondeo.

 

and perhaps, bring in more colors to choose from too.......

 

yeah Malaysian Superb are better equiped. with more new cars being better equiped, yes CA should buck up...that is if they care...

 

but then again for Vectra 1.8 MTA, one thing bro to be a little worried is the MTA itself.

It is similar to alfa's infamous selespeed...the actuator problem.heard its same supplier. i had a friend who had MTA...if mechanically its the same...all I can say...stay away from it...I was quite interested and tot perhap it will be different.. go to opel's forum and you can check out thier thread... tho some give assurances by saying 'there are prob only 5 cars broke down' due to MTA on the road...hmm...not sure but even if it is true, 5 cars is a lot for a frew hundreds of MTA. for other auto cars, you seldom even get cars that broke down due to auto trans out of the thousands of cars on the road...