Dangerous Road Hogger

[Sony]

It was a tap on the brake to say you are following too close.

 

From the video, I notice that you didn't flash at the car in front.

 

Next time, do the Singaporean way. Flash him, honk him, if not, overtake from the left. That's the SOP.

 

It's everyone for himself on the local road. Welcome to Singapore.

 

it takes 2 to create an accident at time.

[Tomasky]

Laws are laws. The speed limit of 90km/h is enforced based on scientific reasoning, not just arbitrarily, drivers who think 90 is too slow are definitely asking for trouble, not only challenging the law, but challenging the intellect of traffic engineers in Singapore, and trying to be smart-alec.

 

Apply Greenshield model to a typical uninterrupted traffic flow in Singapore, traffic flow can only be optimized when traffic is flowing at half of the free-flow speed. This means that on Singapore highways when the free flow speed is 180km/h, no vehicles should be exceeding 90km/h.

 

Even in situations when the road is clear does not mean a driver can speed beyond 90. The real road hazards are caused by those speeding drivers who have higher chances of losing control of their vehicle and crashing it, thereby creating a massive traffic jam and a shockwave against the flow of traffic. Once this happens, they are the real road hoggers.

 

In general, a car traveling at 90 on lane 1 will not significantly decrease the propagation velocity of the shock wave since this car is still moving forward in the same direction as traffic stream. That is why until now, traffic engineers and traffic police do not view such vehicles cruising 90 on lane 1 as a serious traffic offence. Instead, those who detest the so-called ?road hoggers? are actually those impatient commoners who knows nothing except the thrills and need for speed and the performances of their car.

 

The traffic police and traffic engineers in Singapore, until now has never ever acknowledged that a reasonable speed on the rightmost lane is 110-120, neither have they confessed that 90 is too slow on rightmost lane and that one should not drive at 90 on lane 1. This notion comes from those ignorant commoners who have limited knowledge on traffic flow theory. They come out with their ideal speed limit and advocate them blindly.

 

The real culprits of traffic collisions are those speeding idiots who crash their vehicles on lane 1, in turn creating a negative propagation velocity resulting in the shockwave traveling against the traffic and severely impeding the traffic. They are the real road hoggers who shift the blame to the front vehicle for traveling too slow, where in fact the front vehicle has done nothing wrong by keeping to the speed limit.

 

By the way, in case you are still not aware, the Traffic Police/Traffic Engineers in Singapore has already verified that a car traveling at 90km/h on lane 1 is generally not deem as hogging the road and there is no specific legislation stipulating that lane 1 on Singapore highways is only for overtaking.

 

I?ve noticed TP WRX traveling at 90 on lane 1 numerous times therefore traveling at 90 on lane 1 is definitely not a traffic offence, so don?t twist the facts. On the other hand, a car overtaking at 110 can be booked for speeding.

 

i reckon most folks here have demerit points for speeding, or have a blemished driving record

 

Everyone is obliged to drive safely and keep within speed limit, do not call slow drivers dangerous drivers when you yourself are speeding dangerously

Edited February 8, 2007 by Tomasky

[Megalord]

Understood, till now do i only understand that lane 1 is not for overtaking.

 

Actually i need not know how the 90km/h speedlimit came about.

 

I see you have used a strawman comparison on the TP WRX. I have seen too, TP WRX travelling baove 90km/h on lane 1 before, does that equate that speeds above 90km/h is not a traffic offence? I did follow behind but was not awarded any tickets.

Still, i respect your knowledge on traffic flows. I now see that the regulation "keep left unless overtaking" can be taken out.

 

Well, when i was driving, i had a clean record. Now that i have a chauffer, i don't see the need for me to carry the demerit points for him. Anyway, should he be awarded any points, our written contract do allow me to retire him.

 

Thanks to your enlightenment, the current chauffer can now drive smoother without the need to give way to others. I have wronged the previous chauffers by sacking them when they refuse to give way, damn. They ain't hogging in the first place.

Edited February 8, 2007 by Megalord

[Nothingtodo]

his profile seems familiar....... like hv been mentioned somewhere....

[Vertiga]

So does the rule 'keep left unless overtaking' is removed now yah?

 

Also have a newbie question: For example there is a heavy traffic jam on the expressway, and say the speed is approx 30 km/hr. Can a truck drive on lane 1 since he is not exceeding his vehicle speed limit?

Edited February 8, 2007 by Vertiga

[Albeniz]

There are easily 4 lanes on the expressway. I don't condone speeding as I am not one who would exceed the speed limit unneccesarily too. But we also have to cater for emergency occassions such as rushing to the hospital, and hence the need to overtake on the right lane. Cars traveling at 90km/h or below should be kept to the center lane. This is basic courtesy and plain etiquette.

[Legendary]

juz saw the video... bro, the manner u drive is reckless to say the least. it's not only the tailgating but the manner and speed which u cut into lane 1... how would the driver know u were rushing to the hospital or simply being a road bully. chill out man

[Nothingtodo]

r u writing a forum or a review? was trying to finish reading but everytime lost where I read.. Just joking, dont take personnal

 

Understand what you driving at, but half agreed with you.

 

SG TP understands SG Expressways can go 100km ~ 110km at some stretches. however, they are not taking chances of stating this because SG drivers tend to test TP patience. So they rather state allowable limit at 10km ~ 20km below practical max. They ever explained this before few yrs ago before the increase of most rds max speed indication.

 

On the other hand, its unwritten rule that you can go 10% above max speed indication, however, they reserve the right to book you if your driving endanger others (of course when they not feeling good that day). I hv nvr been book for going at 100 ~ 110km/hr along AYE. Once, even a TP suddenly appeared behind me while I going 105km/hr. Y? u tell me, but more likely he feels I drove safely and keeping in tune with the rest rd user.

 

In New Zealand, there are basically only 2 speed limits. 100km (highway) and 50km (town/city). NZ TP carries out this speed limit chk religously, so many SG drivers got caught trying to test their patience. Me one of them . Going 55km only got book liao.

 

Australia has various speed limits like SG, but unlike us, they treat lorries/vans/trailers speed just like any other rd users. So it is common to see lorries/vans/trailers going same speed just like cars... even at 110km/hr.

 

In US, the same thing. So long you keep within speed limit when the traffic is light, and keep in tune with other road user during heavy traffic, their TP will not bother you.

 

 

hope did not bored you guys with me long assays..

[Aimnfire]

same thing happen to me too

 

was rushing to sent my daughter to kkh

after she fall and cut open her forehead

 

there this bloody altis (sorry for naming the car) was driving at 70km/h on extreme right of ecp

center lane there was vehicles matching the car speed

switch on right signal light, use pass light and even press horn

the idiot boh chap

 

then the vehicle on the left give way to me so that i can overtake on the left

guess what, when i try to over take on the left

the idiot match my speed and box me up

 

if it was not an emergency

with the injured person in my car

i will definately ram his car of the road

[Albeniz]

Laws are laws. The speed limit of 90km/h is enforced based on scientific reasoning, not just arbitrarily, drivers who think 90 is too slow are definitely asking for trouble, not only challenging the law, but challenging the intellect of traffic engineers in Singapore, and trying to be smart-alec.

 

Apply Greenshield model to a typical uninterrupted traffic flow in Singapore, traffic flow can only be optimized when traffic is flowing at half of the free-flow speed. This means that on Singapore highways when the free flow speed is 180km/h, no vehicles should be exceeding 90km/h.

 

Based on your scientific theory to optimize the traffic flow, the optimum traffic flow could be easiy acheived by just setting a mechanically speed limit on the car where the top speed of the car is curbed at 90km/h, no further increase in speed is possible no matter how hard you step on the acceleration pedal. As a secondary measure, they could also have made it mandatory to install the SWD where the device starts to beep when the car hits 90km/h.

 

The world doesn't operate this way, my friend. We have to cater for emergencies.

[Vit4wd]

Pardon me, but I could see in the video, you were to close to comfort to the car in front initially - tailgating him.

 

I think he tapped on his brakes briefly to warn you that you were too close to his rear.

 

You get all sorts of drivers - just overtake him and move on. Period.

[Albeniz]

I think u have got it wrong. I am not the thread-starter, and I am not the one tail-gating also. In fact I am a safe driver who has been receiving 50%NCD discount for many years.

[Tomasky]

so traffic lights on arterial roads cater to emergency? can one beat the red lights if need to rush to hospital or can one dash through the pedestrian crossing without giving way to pesdestrians,

 

as i've mentioned, even if one is in a rush, also have to adhere to mean traffic speed, for speeding implicates his own urgent matters should be given priority over the safety of other road users, which is ridiculous

 

must have seen the video, what a detesting wayward driving manner, u imagine the thread-starter driving like this on arterial/neighbourhood roads/school zones, looks like he might even try to beat the red lights or dash through pedestrian crossing in his desperation

Edited February 8, 2007 by Tomasky

[Megalord]

Based on his write up, as long as we challange the "traffic engineers", we are doomed as the specialist in the field thinks there we are a road hazard already.

 

But like any of my juniors, we challange theories. Had i not challanged those fixed barriers(not theories but barriers some people somehow left there and people take them seriously in a religious manner), i wouldn't be able to achieve what i did today.

 

I guess the education then taught me so. I figured something may not be very right with newtonian physics and indeed thats how i scored. But this is a strawman comparison, may not work in other areas.

 

Perhaps after i retire in a year or 2 from the field, i shall start probing into the "traffic engineering" arena. Then we shall see if the barrier still hold tight in scenerios where different human physiology and other varying factors must be taken into consideration, unlike a typical civil engineering construct.

 

Does NUS carry the course "traffic engineering" under the civil engineering department?

[Albeniz]

so traffic lights on arterial roads cater to emergency? can one beat the red lights if need to rush to hospital or can one dash through the pedestrian crossing without giving way to pesdestrians,

 

as i've mentioned, even if one is in a rush, also have to adhere to mean traffic speed, for speeding implicates his own urgent matters should be given priority over the safety of other road users, which is ridiculous

 

In this context, we are discussing about marginally increasing the traveling speed (from the normal 90km/h) on the rightest lane of the expressway during cases of emergency.

We do not expect to see traffic lights and casual walking pedestrians on the right lane of the expressway. The two parameters should be taken out of the equation in this context.

Edited February 8, 2007 by Albeniz

[T3march]

Seems like lots of pple out there is blaming me for tailgating at 80 plus kmh and not blaming someone who road hog at 80plus kmh on a highway lane tat says 90kmh

 

if there is no road hog there will be no tailgating.

 

Someone even say my speed was so darn fast..... i wonder wat speed was the lancer travelling at when he over take us.

 

For those who think that i'm speeding, make sure you do not go above the speed limit even when u need to rush to the hospital..... u better take your own sweet time and be a safe driver.

[Megalord]

Makes the chauffer's job even easier. There is abosolutely no need to pickup speed from the speed limit to give way to ambulances or other similar emergency vehicles, as i will be a hazard beyond the speed limit. Won't those ambulance be a hazard as well? But well, strawman comparison again?

Are we preventing another potential hazard as well?

 

Damn, maybe should have taken note of the motorbike TP's name that lead us the way to the hospital at speed far in excess of the speed limit as well...

 

Anyway, do you hold a post in TP or some local transport authority for us to quote in a event like this? If so do provide some evidence so that we have something to back us up once verified. I offer to publish it across over several agencies if you are willing, to provide the right traffic regulation and rules.

[Albeniz]

Does NUS carry the course "traffic engineering" under the civil engineering department?

 

Good one brother!

I am not quite sure if NUS carry the course "traffic engineering" under the civil engineering department.

But I am sure if the course preaches strict adherence to 90km/h for cars, the course would have been obsolete by now. We need to respond to changes flexibly. Otherwise we can't reach top 20 in the world.