The new Mazda6!

[En0203]

u cannot have bhp and torque at the same time for small engine. so probably they designed it for torque rather than bhp. drivability will much better in singapore with torqy engine compared to high bhp but low torque engine

[Haurus85]

Agreed. That's why IMHO Toyota cars can sell well in sg market.

BHP is nothing in SG..not everybody tracks, so a torquey engine will definately work better in sg's traffic light and jam-filled roads.

[Kelpie]

u cannot have bhp and torque at the same time for small engine. so probably they designed it for torque rather than bhp. drivability will much better in singapore with torqy engine compared to high bhp but low torque engine

 

1. I wonder how "talkative" can it be? rev and rev but lai hong. Ok, lets look at those current 1.8L cars, though not many around :

 

a) Alfa GT 1.747L, 140bhp, 0-100 is 9.9.

b) Fiat Croma 1.796L, 140bhp, 0-100 is 12.0.

c) Honda Civic 1.799L, 140bhp, 0-100 is 9.2 to 10.2.

d) Opel Astra 1.796L, 125bhp, 0-100 is 11.9.

e) Opel Vectra 1,796L, 122bhp, 0-100 is 11.2.

f) Mazda 6 1.799L?, 118bhp???, 0-100 probably in excess of 11.0

 

2. I don't know whether they will bring in the 1.8L in the 1st place?

 

Regards,

[Kelpie]

Agreed. That's why IMHO Toyota cars can sell well in sg market.

BHP is nothing in SG..not everybody tracks, so a torquey engine will definately work better in sg's traffic light and jam-filled roads.

 

Why pay more for something less? To me it is not just a matter of torque, it is simply selling something below market standard.

 

Regards,

[Veryfree]

Hey, where do you see all the postings selling IS250? I thought they are pretty rare compare to the E90 for eg

 

go to SGcarmart, from 30/Sep til now, 4 IS250s for sales.

[Veryfree]

sir, do you have data of Bhp/tonne ? this makes more sense to compare

the performance of cars.

[Kelpie]

sir, do you have data of Bhp/tonne ? this makes more sense to compare

the performance of cars.

 

I've not been buying local magazines for sometimes, nope, I don't have the power to weight ratio. Anyway, common sense tell us that a new Mazda 6 can't be anywhere lighter.

 

Regards,

[Haurus85]

It has not been tested yet so we can't base it just on the figures given. And who decides what are the actual market standards?

I think we should just wait and see until its out and road tested before we make any assumptions

[Kelpie]

It has not been tested yet so we can't base it just on the figures given. And who decides what are the actual market standards?

I think we should just wait and see until its out and road tested before we make any assumptions

 

I don't expect miracle from a road test and we shall see.

 

Regards,

Edited October 19, 2007 by Kelpie

[Veryfree]

me too, all my dole spent on gasoline.

heard Mazda 6 has a 3.2litre powerplant from Ford with

250bhp, same as new Mondeo. 0-100 abt 7sec, top speed

230+ km/hr.

[Kelpie]

me too, all my dole spent on gasoline.

heard Mazda 6 has a 3.2litre powerplant from Ford with

250bhp, same as new Mondeo. 0-100 abt 7sec, top speed

230+ km/hr.

 

Ya man, for the same Mazda 6 with a variety of powerplant from 1.8 to 3.2L. I hope the new Mondeo is within my mean man....keeping fingers crossed.

 

Regards,

[En0203]

Agreed. That's why IMHO Toyota cars can sell well in sg market.

BHP is nothing in SG..not everybody tracks, so a torquey engine will definately work better in sg's traffic light and jam-filled roads.

 

anyway, ppl would prefer high bhp figures anytime because it looks good on the paper

 

toyota sells well not becoz of torquey engine, but because of brand name that they have built over the time

[Kelpie]

anyway, ppl would prefer high bhp figures anytime because it looks good on the paper

 

toyota sells well not becoz of torquey engine, but because of brand name that they have built over the time

 

Not only that, Mazda 6 is not a small size sedan. To have a 118bhp engine would very likely to give people an immediate impression of "underpower".

 

Regards,

[En0203]

u cannot have bhp and torque at the same time for small engine. so probably they designed it for torque rather than bhp. drivability will much better in singapore with torqy engine compared to high bhp but low torque engine

 

1. I wonder how "talkative" can it be? rev and rev but lai hong. Ok, lets look at those current 1.8L cars, though not many around :

 

a) Alfa GT 1.747L, 140bhp, 0-100 is 9.9.

b) Fiat Croma 1.796L, 140bhp, 0-100 is 12.0.

c) Honda Civic 1.799L, 140bhp, 0-100 is 9.2 to 10.2.

d) Opel Astra 1.796L, 125bhp, 0-100 is 11.9.

e) Opel Vectra 1,796L, 122bhp, 0-100 is 11.2.

f) Mazda 6 1.799L?, 118bhp???, 0-100 probably in excess of 11.0

 

2. I don't know whether they will bring in the 1.8L in the 1st place?

 

Regards,

 

0 - 100 timing doesn't really tell u about the drivability of a car in normal driving condition. for example, my car has got a 0 - 100 timing of 9.0 secs and my uncle's car is 11.9 secs. but guess what? my uncle's car is actually a much better car to drive in day to day traffic because it has got more torque down the engine range and the car is ready to move at low rpm. compared to my uncle's car my car needs more effort on the accelerator to move it faster because most of my car's torque comes out only from mid range onwards

 

and how does his car do that? that's by sacrificing high bhp for low end torque (only putting out 163 ps for a 2.5L)

 

new mazda 6 will be about the same weight as existing outgoing ones, which is about 1.4 ton. if u throw in a 1.8 with high bhp into a 1.4 toner, i bet u are going to need to rev the engine like crazy just to move the car a little bit so a better bet would be to put a 1.8 with better low end torque (or flatter torque so it's close to peak all the time) and sacrifice the bhp. this way the car will still be drivable with small engine

 

anyway, that's just my guess and i can be wrong

and no i won't get a big car with small engine, i'll take a small car with big engine anytime over them

 

mazda's engine is never good for normal cars anyway, so don't expect the mazda 6 to go zoom zoom

but i am pretty sure it's going to drive well and i won't be surprise if it drives like a conti on high speed and round the corner, they are pretty good with weight distribution and suspension set up, and the fact that new mazda 6 still keep the more expensive double wishbone in the front tells a lot about their passion in handling department

Edited October 21, 2007 by En0203

[Kelpie]

0 - 100 timing doesn't really tell u about the drivability of a car in normal driving condition. for example, my car has got a 0 - 100 timing of 9.0 secs and my uncle's car is 11.9 secs. but guess what? my uncle's car is actually a much better car to drive in day to day traffic because it has got more torque down the engine range and the car is ready to move at low rpm. compared to my uncle's car my car needs more effort on the accelerator to move it faster because most of my car's torque comes out only from mid range onwards

 

and how does his car do that? that's by sacrificing high bhp for low torque (only putting out 163 ps for a 2.5L)

 

new mazda 6 will be about the same weight as existing outgoing ones, which is about 1.4 ton. if u throw in a 1.8 with high bhp into a 1.4 toner, i bet u are going to need to rev the engine like crazy just to move the car a little bit so a better bet would be to put a 1.8 with better low end torque (or flatter torque so it's close to peak all the time) and sacrifice the bhp. this way the car will still be drivable with small engine

 

anyway, that's just my guess and i can be wrong

and no i won't get a big car with small engine, i'll take a small car with big engine anytime over them

 

mazda's engine is never good for normal cars anyway, so don't expect the mazda 6 to go zoom zoom

but i am pretty sure it's going to drive well and i won't be surprise if it drives like a conti on high speed and round the corner, they are pretty good with weight distribution and suspension set up, and the fact that new mazda 6 still keep the more expensive double wishbone in the front tells a lot about their passion on handling department

 

Well said .

 

Yap a smaller car with a bigger engine, anytime .

 

Regards,

[En0203]

Yap a smaller car with a bigger engine, anytime

 

yea, but i guess many think otherwise, just look at the number of cars on the road with biggest body size and smallest engine in its class

 

singaporeans prefer big body with small engine from the sales figures, probably due to the high road tax system here

 

i won't mind ppl laughing at my small car as long as it puts on a smile to my face everytime i step on the accelerator