New COE quota allocation

[Osiris]

Wait... If my memory serves me right, last time they said the strategy then is to use ERP to curb the car usage. Then, gov can release more COE to fulfill our dream of owning car. Remember the headline "ERP enable more Singaporean to own car"? As a result, COE price crashed and everyone was happy with the low COE price but cross with the additional ERP gentries. So, It is not over-project issue but strategy.

 

I remember that as well.

They say they will use COE and ERP TOGETHER to control the car pop.

 

Ok, I can see the COE portion being adjusted. Looks like COE going up up up.

I am anticipating another piece of news about ERP going up once the news of COE has been digested.

[Hermitage]

Don't understand how the "new" policy will help reduce the number of cars on our roads! If you scrap 20K cars in 2010, they issue another 20K COEs PLUS 1.5% of the car population before deduction of the number of de-registered vehicles. Still increase in number of cars what!! WTF they talking?!?!?

[Vidz]

That time he say to let citizens own cars, so everyone happy.

But last few years due to super huge increase in FT, who are buying up the cheap cars (and housing too).

So now everything has to limit and make it more expensive to make these FT pays more.

 

Those Singaporeans who bought their cheap first cars have to be thankful to the gov.

 

the problem stems from the grand vision of 6million population and they opened the flood gates to FT. What they forgot is that they mechanism that make society work didnt catch or cater for that increase. When everything is still realitively cheap then, and the FT bought them all.

 

Now everything is breaking at the seams, transport, housing, etc.

 

At the end who benefited the most?? seems like the FT!!

Edited March 15, 2010 by Vidz

[Tigerwoods]

I remember that as well.

They say they will use COE and ERP TOGETHER to control the car pop.

 

Ok, I can see the COE portion being adjusted. Looks like COE going up up up.

I am anticipating another piece of news about ERP going up once the news of COE has been digested.

Issuing more COEs and Erecting more ERP gantries for "Pay when you Use" does not work.

Reasons :

1. If you gotta go, you gotta go - most ppl, can't control their timing - so you gotta go, you gotta pay

2. We don't know there are ERP gantries on that stretch of road if we don't travel there much.

3. Many times I had to pass thru ERP at places that I don't know the timing of its in Operation because it changes so often...

4. Do you wanna wake up earlier to drive pass ERP Gantry before 7am to save 50Cts ?

5. OPC cars - they continue to HOG the 7am~7pm time zones. Don't they ever sleep ?

 

COE can be a constant, Usage of Car is a Variable.

 

The only way to control congestion is to reduce the cars on the roads with a ZERO growth plan.

1.5% growth of 500k vehicles = adding 7500 + cars on the road/year...

 

 

[Curahee]

Imo it juz slow down the rate of increment.

[Kusje]

Don't understand how the "new" policy will help reduce the number of cars on our roads! If you scrap 20K cars in 2010, they issue another 20K COEs PLUS 1.5% of the car population before deduction of the number of de-registered vehicles. Still increase in number of cars what!! WTF they talking?!?!?

 

 

Where does it say that it will reduce the number of cars on the roads?

 

The increase in cars (1.5% increase in COE) must be compared to the increase in capacity of the roads as well.

[Kar_lover]

 

Govt's rationale that to reduce vehicular congestion via COE reduction is seriously flawed. A cut in COE quota and the inevitable rise of COE premiums is a grossly unfair solution as it "kills everybody" with one fell swoop.

 

Firstly, there are many drivers out there who are not part of the congestion problem - they don't travel to town much, they don't use the expressways during peak time, etc yet they also have to bear this high COE. Instead of cutting COE quota, govt should increase the number of ERP gantries and ERP rates at those congested areas. This will "rightfully" penalise those who are actually part of the congestion.

 

Secondly, this high COE will affect the less rich more as compared to the more rich and this will then aggravate the social divide of the have and have not. Isn't one of the govt's goal to reduce this gap?

 

Thirdly, the knock on effect on the economy, mainly the salaries of car salesman (who will know fight over a much smaller pie) and maybe even the administrative staff (with reduced sales, one or two employees from the finance dept may be retrenched). Some dealers may end up increasing the commission they pay to their sales people to make up for the reduced volume but this increase in commission will sure be partially, if not wholly, passed to the buyer. Car dealers themselves will also have less sales to pay for their overheads and again, may increase the profit per car to make up for it and again, this will surely be passed to the consumer.

 

It is truly a lose-lose case for everyone (except the Govt).

 

Lets look at the situation again. I notice that when there is no jam, even during peak hours, the heavy traffic is acceptable and i can drive at around 70kmh. What causes those real bad jams are usually (1) accident and (2) vehicle breakdown. Govt should be looking to reduce these 2 incidents as a way of reducing congestion. My suggestion is to criminalise ppl who cause accidents, i.e. not only do they have to face civil proceedings such as compensating the victim but they will also face criminal charges and do jail time. This will send a strong message to those ah bengs who love to tailgate/drive aggressively/etc. Of course less accidents is always a good thing, it will reduce strain on public services (ambulance), reduce fraudulent claims from workshops and stop escalating insurance premiums, etc. Secondly for breakdowns, for all vehicles that breakdown, owner have to proof that he has done his part to maintain his vehicle otherwise he will be fined (eg, first time $5,000, second time $10,000, etc).

 

Govt should also implement a tax on petrol to increase the price of petrol so that drivers will think more carefully before they start their engines. This will also "rightfully" penalise those who drive more than those who drive less. HDB can also help to dissuade residents from having more than 1 car by charging the second season parking at double (or triple?) the normal rate.

 

In conclusion, Govt should INCREASE the COE quota which will then reduce the price of COE and hence the car so that cars become more accesible to everyone but use higher ERPs, petrol taxes and other methods to encourage more RESPONSIBLE ownership. With the current situation, how can we say that Singapore offers us a good quality of life if its so hard to own a car?

 

 

 

 

[Kusje]

Secondly, this high COE will affect the less rich more as compared to the more rich and this will then aggravate the social divide of the have and have not. Isn't one of the govt's goal to reduce this gap?

 

Wrong. High COE definitely affects the rich more - They have more cars and cars of higher engine capacity. There's only so much ERP gantries that a person, rich or not, will go through.

[Chelsea901]

In other words, they farked it up...what's so difficult about putting it into words? why must use such a long essay to say "we farked up the mathematics"

 

why get so frustrated by the govt? they nv fark up. they just niu shi alot of crabs. the debate in parliment shown after the 10pm news everytime just trying to bulldung us.they are just bunch of money suckers. see america can liao. cars cheap cheap bt then obama still did smth to show the ppl.

[Chelsea901]

Yes, i still remember that is what LHL say in national day speech in 2008. they want more ppl to own car. So they release more COE and increase ERP. now they are saying the reverse because ppl complain too many car on the road.

 

aiya, we sg are liddat. when have good stuff, we dun complain. when gt too much good stuff, we are first to complain. no wonder we are known as the complain king

[Chelsea901]

Actually the parf system is just for government to collect taxes. They should have void it but maintain that the minimum OMVs of cars importing into Singapore should be $40k. So our bread and butter cars become BMW 3 series, and lexus might be some of the only japanese carscoming into Singapore.

 

now then you know govt love to collect taxes? they tax everything from our property to cars to tv to radio to gst.everything tat can tax will tax and tax high high. :angry:

[Chelsea901]

who has the power to oppose anything in singapore politics? we just leave it as it is.

 

i know who has the power. we go find the opposition parties lorh. stupid pap. suck money nia.

[Chelsea901]

Well, i dont understand why the govt has to limit the number of COEs?....Dont they understand that there are people who really in need of cars? I am kinda one of them....I am working as a sales rep in one of the company.....I sometimes need to rush to the warehouse and head office around. It just makes no sense of me travelling public transport. Neither can the Off peak cars can help. I am really very vexed now, so i have to use my dad's car in the mean time while he ride a motorbike instead. Sometimes i hope the govt understands that for some people....Car is a need. Or why dont u ask the people in the delivering sector to travel via public transport????? Do you think it makes any sense?

 

aiya, the best is to import more buses and bikes and all the cars throw away lorh. say too many cars on the roads, why nt just scrap off all the cars and just import buses and goods vehicles? no need for the high coes liao and all tis stupid debates everywhere to make ppl angry.

[Chelsea901]

Govt's rationale that to reduce vehicular congestion via COE reduction is seriously flawed. A cut in COE quota and the inevitable rise of COE premiums is a grossly unfair solution as it "kills everybody" with one fell swoop.

 

Firstly, there are many drivers out there who are not part of the congestion problem - they don't travel to town much, they don't use the expressways during peak time, etc yet they also have to bear this high COE. Instead of cutting COE quota, govt should increase the number of ERP gantries and ERP rates at those congested areas. This will "rightfully" penalise those who are actually part of the congestion.

 

Secondly, this high COE will affect the less rich more as compared to the more rich and this will then aggravate the social divide of the have and have not. Isn't one of the govt's goal to reduce this gap?

 

Thirdly, the knock on effect on the economy, mainly the salaries of car salesman (who will know fight over a much smaller pie) and maybe even the administrative staff (with reduced sales, one or two employees from the finance dept may be retrenched). Some dealers may end up increasing the commission they pay to their sales people to make up for the reduced volume but this increase in commission will sure be partially, if not wholly, passed to the buyer. Car dealers themselves will also have less sales to pay for their overheads and again, may increase the profit per car to make up for it and again, this will surely be passed to the consumer.

 

It is truly a lose-lose case for everyone (except the Govt).

 

Lets look at the situation again. I notice that when there is no jam, even during peak hours, the heavy traffic is acceptable and i can drive at around 70kmh. What causes those real bad jams are usually (1) accident and (2) vehicle breakdown. Govt should be looking to reduce these 2 incidents as a way of reducing congestion. My suggestion is to criminalise ppl who cause accidents, i.e. not only do they have to face civil proceedings such as compensating the victim but they will also face criminal charges and do jail time. This will send a strong message to those ah bengs who love to tailgate/drive aggressively/etc. Of course less accidents is always a good thing, it will reduce strain on public services (ambulance), reduce fraudulent claims from workshops and stop escalating insurance premiums, etc. Secondly for breakdowns, for all vehicles that breakdown, owner have to proof that he has done his part to maintain his vehicle otherwise he will be fined (eg, first time $5,000, second time $10,000, etc).

 

Govt should also implement a tax on petrol to increase the price of petrol so that drivers will think more carefully before they start their engines. This will also "rightfully" penalise those who drive more than those who drive less. HDB can also help to dissuade residents from having more than 1 car by charging the second season parking at double (or triple?) the normal rate.

 

In conclusion, Govt should INCREASE the COE quota which will then reduce the price of COE and hence the car so that cars become more accesible to everyone but use higher ERPs, petrol taxes and other methods to encourage more RESPONSIBLE ownership. With the current situation, how can we say that Singapore offers us a good quality of life if its so hard to own a car?

 

you cant blame ppl for the vehicle breakdown. daily usage of the car will make it breakdown. you seldom see new cars break down. if cars are cheap, ppl will be able to change every year and thus no more breakdowns. and for the jams on highways, how abt asking the govt increasing the limit to 130? we will nt need to tailgate again and nt cause congestions.

[Tigerwoods]

Govt's rationale that to reduce vehicular congestion via COE reduction is seriously flawed. A cut in COE quota and the inevitable rise of COE premiums is a grossly unfair solution as it "kills everybody" with one fell swoop.

 

Firstly, there are many drivers out there who are not part of the congestion problem - they don't travel to town much, they don't use the expressways during peak time, etc yet they also have to bear this high COE. Instead of cutting COE quota, govt should increase the number of ERP gantries and ERP rates at those congested areas. This will "rightfully" penalise those who are actually part of the congestion.

 

Secondly, this high COE will affect the less rich more as compared to the more rich and this will then aggravate the social divide of the have and have not. Isn't one of the govt's goal to reduce this gap?

 

Thirdly, the knock on effect on the economy, mainly the salaries of car salesman (who will know fight over a much smaller pie) and maybe even the administrative staff (with reduced sales, one or two employees from the finance dept may be retrenched). Some dealers may end up increasing the commission they pay to their sales people to make up for the reduced volume but this increase in commission will sure be partially, if not wholly, passed to the buyer. Car dealers themselves will also have less sales to pay for their overheads and again, may increase the profit per car to make up for it and again, this will surely be passed to the consumer.

 

It is truly a lose-lose case for everyone (except the Govt).

 

Lets look at the situation again. I notice that when there is no jam, even during peak hours, the heavy traffic is acceptable and i can drive at around 70kmh. What causes those real bad jams are usually (1) accident and (2) vehicle breakdown. Govt should be looking to reduce these 2 incidents as a way of reducing congestion. My suggestion is to criminalise ppl who cause accidents, i.e. not only do they have to face civil proceedings such as compensating the victim but they will also face criminal charges and do jail time. This will send a strong message to those ah bengs who love to tailgate/drive aggressively/etc. Of course less accidents is always a good thing, it will reduce strain on public services (ambulance), reduce fraudulent claims from workshops and stop escalating insurance premiums, etc. Secondly for breakdowns, for all vehicles that breakdown, owner have to proof that he has done his part to maintain his vehicle otherwise he will be fined (eg, first time $5,000, second time $10,000, etc).

 

Govt should also implement a tax on petrol to increase the price of petrol so that drivers will think more carefully before they start their engines. This will also "rightfully" penalise those who drive more than those who drive less. HDB can also help to dissuade residents from having more than 1 car by charging the second season parking at double (or triple?) the normal rate.

 

In conclusion, Govt should INCREASE the COE quota which will then reduce the price of COE and hence the car so that cars become more accesible to everyone but use higher ERPs, petrol taxes and other methods to encourage more RESPONSIBLE ownership. With the current situation, how can we say that Singapore offers us a good quality of life if its so hard to own a car?

I agree with your comments in Red. I'd like to add :

Cause of Traffic Jams :

1. Vehicle Breakdowns - Other than Tyre Punctures, any car that breakdown should pay a $1000 fine for causing Traffic Jam. This will send a STRONG signal for drivers to service their cars regularly = less pollution also.

 

2. Accidents - Fine each Culprit guilty of causing the Accident - $5000 + suspend driving for X years. This will stop those Yaya Drivers to stop tailgating and drive dangerously. If culprit dead no fine....

 

3. Drivers using Lane 1 and last minute cut to Lane 3 to Exit - always causing Jams at each Exit interval - Everytime many drivers try to Jump Queue.

LTA should erect Yellow/Black Poles for a distance of 300m to make every driver Kwai Kwai queue up.

 

4. Todays roads, Lane 1 as Overtaking lane is not workable. ALL Expressway Lanes should be 90km/h. Lorries/Private Buses/Trucks/Pickups - stay off Expressways during Peak hours. Those Big Vehicles that want to use Expressways must meet some Preconditions from LTA.

 

Jams are also caused by Chain Reaction. Below is a Theoretical scenario.

Car 1 = 90km/h

Car 2 = 89km/h

Car 3 = 88km/h

Car 4 = 87km/h

etc... by simple Maths Car 90 = 0km/h or start and stop condition.

 

Therefore, Drivers drive 90km/h constantly, stay in the correct lane, service your cars regularly, don't tailgate and we all enjoy our ride...

Edited March 15, 2010 by Tigerwoods

[Kar_lover]

Wrong. High COE definitely affects the rich more - They have more cars and cars of higher engine capacity. There's only so much ERP gantries that a person, rich or not, will go through.

 

 

Wat are u toking?? COE and ERP are not directly related/proportional to engine cc. Whether u drive reventon or Forte 2.0 is also Cat B or Cat E. Furthermore, the COE price as a proportion of their wealth (when i say rich minimum net worth at least a few million ok?) is miniscule compared to the not-so-rich. As for going thru gantry, if need to go thru to secure $100million deal, still will go through. If no need to go, they won't be so stupid as to go through repeatedly for nothing.

Edited March 15, 2010 by Kar_lover

[Kar_lover]

 

One more suggestion, right now, bidders pay for the lowest qualifying COE, i.e. someone may bid $30k but if in the end the COE is $25k, he only pay $25k. Govt should change the system so that you pay wat u bid (if successful). This will have a more honest "bidding" meaning right now, some rich guy may bid $50k for COE cos he knows in the end he will be saved by the not-so-rich ppl who will bid more sensible sums. This way the "rich" will always get their COE and be bailed out of exensive COE that they had bidded by the not-so-rich. In other words, they must be made to put their money where their mouth is!

[Kar_lover]

3. Drivers using Lane 1 and last minute cut to Lane 3 to Exit - always causing Jams at each Exit interval - Everytime many drivers try to Jump Queue.

LTA should erect Yellow/Black Poles for a distance of 300m to make every driver Kwai Kwai queue up.

 

Yes! Yes!! When i see such shameless idiots, i will not let them through.

 

Another kind of a-----e, that day on a 2 lane road, next to HDB estate, instead of parking inside the HDB estate he just stop his car by the roadside blocking the whole lane and everybody have to squeeze into the other lane - and this was during peak hour! Needless to say it was double yellow line. I wonder if we take a photo and send to TP, will they issue a summons?

Edited March 15, 2010 by Kar_lover