1.8L Cars Are a Waste of Money and More COE Categories?

[Expertz]

Trial & error. It is also good to look out for torque curve graph. Upshift around max torque & downshift whenever current speed is lower than previous gear upshift speed.

 

don't know about other cars but from my experience hondas have very linear torque curves where they deliver most power at 6k rpm

however i'm sure you won't want to upshift at 6k rpm

[Mllcg]

other than the COE you'll enjoy the benefits of a 2.4L (maybe more even) comparable engine performance, low emissions, low road tax, low insurance

 

only bo hua because of COE, but considering that peugeot 508, citroen c5 are now 1.6, the difference between cat A and cat B COEs might eventually only a few k diff.

 

with all these cars, sooner or later, the cat A will drop to 1.4k and below.

 

 

[inlinesix]

don't know about other cars but from my experience hondas have very linear torque curves where they deliver most power at 6k rpm

however i'm sure you won't want to upshift at 6k rpm

The keyword: Max Torque.

[Chpeck]

Just for discussion purpose

 

Do you think its kind of bo hua to buy 1.8L cars? Cause they are just 200CC more than a 1.6L (not much more power as well considering alot of development is put into 1.6L engines recently) and you have to pay alot more for the COE because it belongs to CatB COE. Not to mention higher road tax and insurance too. At least 2L cars are 400CC more and have more power etc.....

 

Lastly, what do you think about having more category of COEs?

 

Instead of just below and above 1.6L, how about

 

Cat A up to 1600CC

Cat B up to 3000CC

Open Cat (all the big CC cars will fight it out in this category).

 

Then seperate CatA COE with taxi. I feel its kind of unfair that cabs are taking away so many of CatA COE (last heard around 40% goes to cabs).

 

At least those who intend to buy 2L-2.5L cars don't need to fight with those who want to Buy Porsche, Ferrari or Lambos. Right now, whether you buy a 2L Cerato Forte or a Lambo you pay the same COE and needless to say, the person who can afford a Lambo can definitely afford far higher COE prices.

 

Btw, the allocation will be the same method cause LTA can know the engine capacity of the cars that deregister every month and cabs as well. So they can allocate COEs accordingly.

 

Lastly, perhaps they should have some incentives/discounts for people going for smaller and greener cars. Purpose it to get people to go for smaller cars that gives out less pollution (eg. KEI cars in Japan). Right now, I see more and more big CC cars which is not a good sign.....

 

How come these cars A4 1.8T, BMW 318, C200, E200 & E250 etc. all with 1.8 are selling so well?

 

[John112]

Check out the catA cream of the crops

 

top3 catA by 0-100 (A)

1 MCS 7.2

2 Skoda Fabia RS 7.3

3 Golf/Scirocco 8

 

top3 catA by 0-100 (M)

1 RX8 6.2

2 JCW MCS / Lotus Elise 6.5

3 DS3 7.3

 

 

Edited April 25, 2011 by John112

[Mllcg]

Check out the catA cream of the crops

 

top3 catA by 0-100 (A)

1 MCS 7.2

2 Skoda Fabia RS 7.3

3 Golf/Scirocco 8

 

top3 catA by 0-100 (M)

1 RX8 6.2

2 JCW MCS / Lotus Elise 6.5

3 DS3 7.3

 

there are many more.

[Mona-vie]

MR2 using 4AGZE? 1.6L supercharged but no more already.

[Mike1234]

maybe u all dont know, nissan juke 1.6 turbo is catB by 1cc JAHAHA

 

IIRC, Nissan Juke 1.6Turbo is Cat A?

 

[Mona-vie]

IIRC, Nissan Juke 1.6Turbo is Cat A?

 

 

The turbo I think is catB right? I saw the specs and it says 1618cc. If really catB, its super bohua. Overshot the 1600 mark by so little only and pay so much more in COE.

[Majordan]

yeah i dont understand why 1.8L civic is so popular. i rather go for 2L

[Expertz]

The keyword: Max Torque.

 

max torque for my honda accord is near 6k rpm then

all honda cars have torque curves that look like the picture in this thread

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2223322

 

reason for the torque curve to look like this is vtec which only kicks in at 4.5k rpm

only in older engine types like mivec and the kia/hyundai engines found in the avante/forte/koup will have max torque at 4k rpm and a bell shaped curve

 

if you shifted your gears at max torque, you'll attain the best performance because once you hit the other end of the torque curve, your rpm doesn't raise as fast

shifting at max torque is extremely bad for fuel though

Edited April 27, 2011 by Expertz

[Pigkachu]

e250 v sellable wad its 1.8L