MOE does not encourage sinkees to get degree

[Badder]

Home price - high

Salary (employees) - low

Costs - high

Morale - low

 

[laugh]

 

 

I know but you know what...

 

 

thats because we are a country full of very very spoilt people

 

 

People are crying to their mummy because "its more congested than it used to be"

 

 

 

Oh dear oh dear how terrible.

 

Try living in a comparable city anywhere else in the world and compare.

 

 

Its not that its so bad know.....its just that we had it so good for so long

 

 

This current generation is spoilt rotten and most have no perception of how well they have it compared to other places.

 

 

We have swelled our population so the current transport system is stretched to the limit. We have to hurry up with the new lines and stations we have to INCREASE COE and car ownership costs , get more taxis to get more people on public. transport. This will take time - we could just try to be patient.....

 

 

 

Edited September 6, 2011 by Badder

[Shull]

I know but you know what...

 

 

thats because we are a country full of very very spoilt people

 

 

People are crying to their mummy because "its more congested than it used to be"

 

 

 

Oh dear oh dear how terrible.

 

Try living in a comparable city anywhere else in the world and compare.

 

 

Its not that its so bad know.....its just that we had it so good for so long

 

 

This current generation is spoilt rotten and most have no perception of how well they have it compared to other places.

 

 

We have swelled our population so the current transport system is stretched to the limit. We have to hurry up with the new lines and stations we have to INCREASE COE and car ownership costs , get more taxis to get more people on public. transport. This will take time - we could just try to be patient.....

 

No.. we just have HIGHER expectation, especially when the ministers are taking salaries a few times of what President Obama takes..

 

A good example is, the government let the foreigners in, the least they can do is have the foresight to upgrade our infrastructure in advance, or at least in line with the increase in population, and not knee jerk reaction..

[Badder]

No.. we just have HIGHER expectation, especially when the ministers are taking salaries a few times of what President Obama takes..

So if its performance related pay you want: how have they performed? Highest home ownership rates, low crime, low unemployment, blah blah blah. in every meaningful measurement of gov ability they have scored the highest - so they should get paid the highest right? comparing to the bankrupt, illiterate US is not a fair comparison. Our gov is clearly better at their job.

 

 

A good example is, the government let the foreigners in, the least they can do is have the foresight to upgrade our infrastructure in advance, or at least in line with the increase in population, and not knee jerk reaction..

their position is the congestion is still not so bad. I suspect that is true (its still 1000x better than BK or Tokyo or London) Like all things its about balance.

 

I agree it would have been nice to have had the capacity before the increases but i still dont think its really the end of the world the way it is now.

[Shull]

So if its performance related pay you want: how have they performed? Highest home ownership rates, low crime, low unemployment, blah blah blah. in every meaningful measurement of gov ability they have scored the highest - so they should get paid the highest right? comparing to the bankrupt, illiterate US is not a fair comparison. Our gov is clearly better at their job.

 

Not exactly. Except for housing, I am pretty sure HK will be on par with many of the measurement. Low crime rate, low unemployment, excellent public transport.

 

their position is the congestion is still not so bad. I suspect that is true (its still 1000x better than BK or Tokyo or London) Like all things its about balance.

 

I agree it would have been nice to have had the capacity before the increases but i still dont think its really the end of the world the way it is now.

 

The congestion problem IS already there even before i started driving 5years ago. It was so bad that many times, I need to wait 3-4 trains before i can board during morning and evening rush hour. Don't tell me, within this 5years, they don't know what's going on?

 

[Kiadaw]

I Know in China, there are People paid by the Chinese Government to go popular Internet Discussion Boards to speak only good Things about the Government, & defend their Policy etc.

 

I wonder if we have such people here in Singapore. There is some one here that that Looks suspiciously like he may be on government payroll in such acts here, but I can't point a finger at who...

 

[Hondacub777]

I Know in China, there are People paid by the Chinese Government to go popular Internet Discussion Boards to speak only good Things about the Government, & defend their Policy etc.

 

I wonder if we have such people here in Singapore. There is some one here that that Looks suspiciously like he may be on government payroll in such acts here, but I can't point a finger at who...

Wow,if that's the case,then I think oppo pay lots of pple here.

[Littleknown]

I Know in China, there are People paid by the Chinese Government to go popular Internet Discussion Boards to speak only good Things about the Government, & defend their Policy etc.

 

I wonder if we have such people here in Singapore. There is some one here that that Looks suspiciously like he may be on government payroll in such acts here, but I can't point a finger at who...

 

http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?showto...7500&st=180

 

My suspicions. But anyway I like him. Hope he posts more and maybe can even find him. LOL.

[13177]

Not exactly. Except for housing, I am pretty sure HK will be on par with many of the measurement. Low crime rate, low unemployment, excellent public transport.

Agreed, i like HK public transport. Even it is very crowded in HK, but the public transport confirm better than s'pore.

[Strudel-]

 

I Know in China, there are People paid by the Chinese Government to go popular Internet Discussion Boards to speak only good Things about the Government, & defend their Policy etc.

 

I wonder if we have such people here in Singapore. There is some one here that that Looks suspiciously like he may be on government payroll in such acts here, but I can't point a finger at who...

 

[Felipe]

im curious - who is it you think thats "making us"?

 

 

cant be the gov right as they are the ones saying we dont need everyone to have a degree....so that only leave the FTs!

 

 

ok, sorted. Its Fts fault.

 

 

I mean it cant possibly be.....our ambitions right...nooooo

no idea. the govt encourages ppl to get degrees, then suddenly say want to limit degrees. but whatever that's making us doesn't change the fact many want a degree. anyway, MOE can only limit entry to govt Uni, not for pte uni.

[Mllcg]

(13177 @ Sep 4 2011, 11:27 PM)

Govt dont recognise s'poreans getting those degree from PEO, but how come they recognise those FTs qualification from their own countries whether it is diploma or degree?

 

 

 

 

The gov and its agencies all have a grading system for overseas universities. They judge degrees from various overseas universities and scale them. a degree from a top chinese university is recognised as equivalent to a singapore degree. A degree from some tin pot chinese university isnt. Same is true of india and every other country. the gov uses a grading system. Not all degrees are considered equal to ours and those people CANT often get an employment pass. I know because i had many staff pass rejected due to their particular university not being regarded as equivalent level to ours.

 

 

if thats the case, why isnt degree from "university A" issued through PEO recognized. (full cert with ONLY the university's) logo.

 

while a person from that particular country with that same "university A" recognized?

[Ahwhye]

I Know in China, there are People paid by the Chinese Government to go popular Internet Discussion Boards to speak only good Things about the Government, & defend their Policy etc.

 

I wonder if we have such people here in Singapore. There is some one here that that Looks suspiciously like he may be on government payroll in such acts here, but I can't point a finger at who...

 

that is the minimum anyone wish to influence public opinion would do..... there are more than this....

Edited September 6, 2011 by Ahwhye

[Ahwhye]

Wow,if that's the case,then I think oppo pay lots of pple here.

 

things that they are doing, need lots of resources and $$$.

i seriously doubt opp is at this level yet........ too far liao.....

[Singhao]

i came out in 1998 in the midst of the asian financial crises with an accounting degree from ntu. i also 6 mths no job. temp a bit here and there. no choice one what

 

that time still got big 6. but i cant get in at all. i try local audit firms. any salary, i do. all i wanted was job experience so that i can get a better job from there. but back then, FT was already a challenge. one of the audit partner told me frankly: to employ you, i have to pay 1200 but i can get a 10 yr experienced chartered accountant from india at $1000! i lan lan (towkay, chartered accountant leh! i what? fresh grad? how to compare????)

 

Wa your results very horrible issit. Most local accounting graduates get multiple offers from the Big 4.

 

Anyway, I think having quotas is not a bad thing. It keeps the local degrees valuable in the eyes of the employer.

 

Like some pointed out, there is always UniSim if you 'fall through the cracks'. Work hard at it and you can match up to the NTU/NUS/NTU grads. My friend did badly at A levels, went to UniSim, now doing not bad in a local bank.

 

Imagine 50% of your cohort is allowed to enter local uni, but there are only enough degree grade jobs for 30% of your cohort. The 20% will be disgruntled, not settle for the 'lesser' jobs, or leave Singapore altogether. We've seen this in other countries already...

 

[Poper]

its called managing a country. its their job. its what they are paid to do.

 

It started as managing a country in 50s-80s. But today the govt is manipulating Singaporean to their political advantage at the expense of the middle/lower income group while enriching themselves and the high society. That's why many said pappies have lost their moral compass. By calling themselves civil servants, they have the moral obligation to "achieve happiness, prosperity and progress for the nation [and based on justice and equlity]".

 

If our national pledge is only lip-service, then I don't what to say *stamp feet*

[Poper]

The gov is many things - but to suggest they havent been economically sucessful when we have record low unemployment, record growth and one of the highest home ownership rates in the world is ludicrous

 

While there is no challenge to SG's past economic success, the challenge is how SG will sustain itself moving forward.. Gone are the manufacturing boom for SG and it is clear that our last few years of GDP growth is through cheap labour import and the casinos..

 

I'll be interested to see how the government can stimulate SG's creativity to be an global innovation hub like those of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates etc.. It is such a new economy model that will sustain SG, not cheaper, faster and better anymore.

 

Good luck to pappies for they will struggle between giving people more freedom VS maintaining their political grips. Either way, it's a double-edge sword.

[Nikkei121]

On one hand, Mr Lee did highlighted in the press that some graduates should not have unrealistic expectations about having things landing on their lap.

It therefore makes sense to the govt to manage such disappointment by not wanting to increase the % of people with degrees.

At the same time, we must also agree that many people who has some sort of degree are not appreciative of competition and economic crunch brought about by globalization. there are plenty of Ivy league uni grads in Singapore and even amongst them, some do not get the plumb jobs. So local grads must realize that in the international market, good jobs do not land on the laps either and many top grads fought hard to get the job.

Others have to resigned to getting second tier jobs or even lower tiered jobs.

it's a process of managing expectations in a changing environment.

 

[Mustank]

I only got pass with merit

 

but you must remember it was 1998. Asian financial crises.