Why dont they make such models?

[KARTer]

one separate question is the "where"?... you can zhng all you want, but not in Singapore...sigh...

 

it is also the cost issue... in uniquely singapore, it is not that apparent as the cars are already damn expensive without any add-ons... but in other "normal" countries, by using other type of engines which may deem to be better but not designed for the cars, the production cost may increase due to some parts may have to be strengthened or added, thus the selling prices will increase, and do not meet market requirements...

the manufacturers usually sell these 'special' versions at a higher price to recover R&D costs and production costs.

 

for owner's customised engine upgrade/transplant, in some countries (eg USA/AUS etc), as long as an qualified safety/auto enginner can certify the mods are safe and fit-for-purpose, the enthusastic owner can have the upgrades done and made street legal, at a price. Here its just impossible even if he has the budget.

[KARTer]

actually if that you notice, some of these sporty cars doesnt suit the drivers.

a good car must match with a good driver...

how? in normal circumstances eg normal traffic conditions or city driving etc, whether the driver has the skills or not to match his car is hard to tell... this leaves us with visual comparisons between the driver and his car..... a 4ft10inch driver in a S350 or Landcruiser, or a 6ft10inch, 150kg guy in a copen sure turns heads!!

[KARTer]

4 seater? Nobody calls it that. It's a 2+2 coupe with suicide doors.

 

There's a reason the car is setup this way. Firstly the rotary NA engine is lightweight and take up less space as compared to the 2.3L TC engine which has more moving parts plus intercooler. The balanced weight front & rear give the car its good handling. This is the character of the RX8 that no other car has. There's no need to follow mass market inline 4 TC performance cars.

dont know about you, i have sat in the backseat and find it comfortable although due to the small windows the view out is not as normal 4door cars, so i will call it a 4 seater as in the Mini. I am not auto expert, but i believe the factory can overcome the weight distrubutions if they put a inline conventional engine in it. its not a question of following or not, just a thought that a conventional engine may make the car appeal to a wider group of buyers/users.... good cooling system has been achieve successfully in other cars' engine bay smaller than that of the RX8, so its not something that is too difficult.

[KARTer]

First of all, this is a genuine car question, why the hell is it in lite&EZ

 

EH can you pleass start in proper thread anot....

 

moving to general car concussion...er discussion

put here gives pple the flexibility to go OT without crossing any line mah....

[Mazdaowner]

i wonder why the top Rolls Royce model still uses it as driver's door!!??

 

It was fashionable as a "STAGECOACH" door, stagecoaches were only reserved for the rich and royal then,

this RR uses them to somewhat depict the era of grandeur on their cars. RX-8 and RR are not the only ones

to use such a design. Even the VW once had such doors.

[Mazdaowner]

dont know about you, i have sat in the backseat and find it comfortable although due to the small windows the view out is not as normal 4door cars, so i will call it a 4 seater as in the Mini. I am not auto expert, but i believe the factory can overcome the weight distrubutions if they put a inline conventional engine in it. its not a question of following or not, just a thought that a conventional engine may make the car appeal to a wider group of buyers/users.... good cooling system has been achieve successfully in other cars' engine bay smaller than that of the RX8, so its not something that is too difficult.

 

The "balance" will still be via the strut bars front and back. Present weight distribution now is still very good as compared with other cars of the same class.

[Mazdaowner]

put here gives pple the flexibility to go OT without crossing any line mah....

 

You are the TS of this thread, you will call the shots to keep it in topic or allow slight deviations.

[Anika1717]

Apparently, more and more models of cars will be coming out in the market soon. It will depend on the suggested innovations of the users from the older models. Earlier this week, the Environmental Protection Agency made a decision to lower the fuel-economy mpg rating for the 2012 BMW 328i eight-speed automatic. BMW is not terribly pleased that the regulator decreased the grade after conducting its own battery of tests. With auto car loan rates so low, you can afford to get an automobile with better gas mileage.

[Expertz]

i'll bet if they released a smaller engine capacity version of a sports car, it'll affect the sales and perception of the sports car

just take a look at the kia koup, its a great looking vehicle with a good body and above average handling but despite coupling the car with a slightly above average engine, its still considered a poser car

to a lesser extent, the impreza/wrx combination has the same effect

 

but i like the idea, my dad wanted to get the bmw 5 series but was put off by the 2.5l engine so he went for the jaguar instead

if they could fit a cheap 1.6l into a large car the size of the 5 series, i would buy it too even if the car moves no faster than a swift/jazz

Edited April 10, 2012 by Expertz

[Pocus]

just take a look at the kia koup, its a great looking vehicle with a good body and above average handling but despite coupling the car with a slightly above average engine, its still considered a poser car

to a lesser extent, the impreza/wrx combination has the same effect

 

slightly above average engine on a Koup? how?

I don't think so man... it's a poser car cos it doesn't have any added feature that benefit in performance.

 

Handling is not just about the suspension and underpinnings..the whole chassis rigidity is also very important. That includes the steering mountings.

 

to quote an example, the Swift Sport's steering mounts is totally different from the regular swifts and that's only one of the things that set it apart from the regular models.

to quote 2nd example, the colt Version R's chassis is treated differently too, it was delibrately strengthened with C pillar reinforcments, front top and bottom structs, A-pillar braces and many more, including additional spot weldings points.

 

These are some of the things are made the sports model so different from the rest, things that you can never or very difficult to duplicate in a regular workshop. Even you throw in the same engine or better, or throw a better gearbox to the regular model, you can never get the same level of all-round performance.

 

Besides being 2 door coupe, what did the Kia did to the Koup do that make it so different from the regular Cerato Fortes that it cannot be duplicated from a workshop? Better suspensions? better gearbox? better engine?

[Eyke]

Any news on lauch date? hope it is avaliable here.... and when COE prices soften

 

yesh, it will be launch on 1 April 2013

[KARTer]

yesh, it will be launch on 1 April 2013

chey.....

[KARTer]

slightly above average engine on a Koup? how?

I don't think so man... it's a poser car cos it doesn't have any added feature that benefit in performance.

 

Handling is not just about the suspension and underpinnings..the whole chassis rigidity is also very important. That includes the steering mountings.

 

to quote an example, the Swift Sport's steering mounts is totally different from the regular swifts and that's only one of the things that set it apart from the regular models.

to quote 2nd example, the colt Version R's chassis is treated differently too, it was delibrately strengthened with C pillar reinforcments, front top and bottom structs, A-pillar braces and many more, including additional spot weldings points.

 

These are some of the things are made the sports model so different from the rest, things that you can never or very difficult to duplicate in a regular workshop. Even you throw in the same engine or better, or throw a better gearbox to the regular model, you can never get the same level of all-round performance.

 

Besides being 2 door coupe, what did the Kia did to the Koup do that make it so different from the regular Cerato Fortes that it cannot be duplicated from a workshop? Better suspensions? better gearbox? better engine?

It appears that the korean car makers are not really into performance cars despite selling many cars world wide. In terms of sale volumes, they are achieving remarkable success. But they have never really made any serious or sustained efforts in motor racing on the world stage. Honda took part in F1 as early as in the 60s! Toyota / Nissan / Subaru, just to name a few, have achieve success and dominance is selected international motor racing events as early as the 70s. What have the koreans done so far?

 

The achievements in international motor racing have translated into technical know-hows and innovations in their production cars. Are the koreans doing this?

 

Have we seen a good handling korean model so far? They are achieving success in mass B&B cars no doubt, but as long as they avoid taking part in international races, they can only make slow progress in technologies, if at all.

[Peaceracer]

Any news on lauch date? hope it is avaliable here.... and when COE prices soften

 

Really no idea about that. But it having a 2.3l will be a little turn off for those who dont really need the performance but more on the looks and the practicality. Anw, the new mazda 6 looks good too. jus saw it on e net. lolz

[KARTer]

Really no idea about that. But it having a 2.3l will be a little turn off for those who dont really need the performance but more on the looks and the practicality. Anw, the new mazda 6 looks good too. jus saw it on e net. lolz

i like the family look with the aggressive wheel arches etc of Mazda nowadays!!

[Expertz]

slightly above average engine on a Koup? how?

I don't think so man... it's a poser car cos it doesn't have any added feature that benefit in performance.

 

Handling is not just about the suspension and underpinnings..the whole chassis rigidity is also very important. That includes the steering mountings.

 

to quote an example, the Swift Sport's steering mounts is totally different from the regular swifts and that's only one of the things that set it apart from the regular models.

to quote 2nd example, the colt Version R's chassis is treated differently too, it was delibrately strengthened with C pillar reinforcments, front top and bottom structs, A-pillar braces and many more, including additional spot weldings points.

 

These are some of the things are made the sports model so different from the rest, things that you can never or very difficult to duplicate in a regular workshop. Even you throw in the same engine or better, or throw a better gearbox to the regular model, you can never get the same level of all-round performance.

 

Besides being 2 door coupe, what did the Kia did to the Koup do that make it so different from the regular Cerato Fortes that it cannot be duplicated from a workshop? Better suspensions? better gearbox? better engine?

 

comparing against cars in the sports category, the koup doesn't pose much of a fight

however against normal B&B cars like the altis, sunny, lancer, sylphy, forte or the latio, koup is by far the better car; only the civic is able to match

 

but my point wasn't that koup is a great car, my point is that its slightly above average in terms of engine performance and handling

if kia had created and marketed a turbo and super charged 330bhp koup instead of the 1.6L variant, perhaps the mass market might see the car in a different light. perhaps people might even think the swift sport will completely lose to the koup even

and i think this is the reason sports cars like rx8 should not have a B&B engine in them. having such a variant will only harm the car's image

Edited April 13, 2012 by Expertz

[KARTer]

comparing against cars in the sports category, the koup doesn't pose much of a fight

however against normal B&B cars like the altis, sunny, lancer, sylphy, forte or the latio, koup is by far the better car; only the civic is able to match

 

but my point wasn't that koup is a great car, my point is that its slightly above average in terms of engine performance and handling

if kia had created and marketed a turbo and super charged 330bhp koup instead of the 1.6L variant, perhaps the mass market might see the car in a different light. perhaps people might even think the swift sport will completely lose to the koup even

and i think this is the reason sports cars like rx8 should not have a B&B engine in them. having such a variant will only harm the car's image

Could it be that the koup's body/chassis/suspensions can't handle high power and too costly for the car maker to upgrade them in the mass production line?

[Antlau]

mmmh... called it Koup Sport with all the upgraded chassis, suspension and engine modifications, and cost $20k more, will it sell? hahahaha....