SPOILER ALERT: We're in the ENDGAME now

[Weez911]

I feel quite disappointed that Robert Downey Jr, Chris Evans, Scarlett Johansson, Chris Hemsworth, Samuel L Jackson and Mark Ruffalo are leaving the MCU, particularly RDJ because to me, he is the star of the MCU series. I think the whole franchise would have been very different if he was not casted initially as Ironman. His personality is almost Tony Stark'eque, and his charisma is out of this world. I also like his acting in The Judge.

 

Now with them gone, the MCU doesn't feel quite the same...

[Evillusion]

My take is he used the time travel thing to go back to this original timeline since he had one last jump with him. But in his alternate universe, there were prob 2 Caps running around, one younger one doing all the fighting and this older one who lived a family life.

 

I'm just happy that we got to experience such an awesome cinematic event in our lifetime. I guess this was how our parents' generation felt when Star Wars trilogy came out. x3000

 

Also agree time travel felt like a bit of a cheat but think they did it really well.

The plot should have made use of the timestone (dont care how they gets it) to go back in time but the final battle should remain the same.

[Mockngbrd]

The plot should have made use of the timestone (dont care how they gets it) to go back in time but the final battle should remain the same.

That would have been too predictable. And going by their time travel rules, even if they won the battle (which was another big risk), the future they returned to would have been the same.

[Icedbs]

Not sure how many of you have "seen" this youtube video

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTVIrMlPGxA

 

What amazes me is that this is entire "black" video has 1.5m views in just 2 days. Unfortunately the channel owner (seems to be from India) has only 4k-5k subscribers, so he could not monetize this video yet. Otherwise this "black" video could have fetch him at least US$10k in ad revenue in just 2 days and will be way more by a month's time.

 

 

 

 

 

[Evillusion]

That would have been too predictable. And going by their time travel rules, even if they won the battle (which was another big risk), the future they returned to would have been the same.

Errr....now you confusing me....

[Mockngbrd]

Errr....now you confusing me....

Edited April 29, 2019 by Mockngbrd

[Blueray]

Cap returned it in the end. He took the hammer back in time also.

 

Awesome show.

 

 

It is the divergent timeline theory where multiple timeless exist and are created at each point the avengers travelled back and meddled. But does not affect the future they came from. Imagine you are at a major turning point in your life and you made a decision to turn left instead of right, then imagine 10 years later you went back in time to change that and made the past you turn right. That will created a separate timeline at that point, but the original you who turned left still exist because what you have done already happened in your past and when you travel back into the future, it will be on your original tineline. 2 timelines will exist in the future without touching each other. One that turned left, another that turned right. This is the divergent timeline theory.

 

 

The only loophole was Cap returning to the original timeline in the ending, but that can be explained by him having one last pym particle thingy to jump back to his original timeline to meet the rest once he "lived" his life in an alternate universe.

 

But overall I think don't think too much and just enjoy it. It is a superhero movie anyway.

 

True, its just a movie but I am curious with the way the Russo bros have executed this.

 

In previous time travel movies, eg Terminator, Back to the Future, Looper, Time Cop etc ... one can travel back to the past to alter the present events, ie change history. That was easy to understand. Or like The Final Countdown, you actually cannot meddle with time and change any history.

 

In MCU time travel, travelling back to the past cannot alter the future as the future will now be the past (not I say one, Hulk say one), so no point killing baby Thanos or even mama/papa Thanos. But then having 2 characters in the same time and space is the confusing part. Eg  Nebula past and present actually interacting with each other. That got me confused. iirc, the other movie that had past and present characters talking to each other at length was Predestination. 

 

another question, past Thanos + army travel to the future via quantum realm don't need ERP pym particles one meh ? 

[Evillusion]

Ya lo. Means in the timeline where they jump back and Loki ran away with the tasseract, that became a different timeline liao. (Which we dunno what happen) Then Cap and Tony Stark went back to 1970 (even further back) to get the stone from Shield. (And stole pym particles to travel back to their present, also again creating another timeline) Cap also travelled back to 1970s to return the stone and stayed in this timeline until he got old. (Or maybe when his wife died)

thats why when the plot started to have a time-machine it added not spice but a lot of question mark.....just like Back to The Future series. Should have involved only the stones to bring back what had been done in the 1st 'snap'.

Now we have Loki running around when he should be incarcerated or dead and 2 green girls for Guardian of the Galaxy.....

[Blueray]

Oh...ya...that was why he brought it along when he travelled back to return what was 'borrowed'.......it escaped my mine! And ya...it was awesome but Infinity was better. The plot shouldnt have a time travelling machine, it was an easy way out!

I missed many of the Avengers movie branches like Captain marvel and a few others....need to catch up on those. Now catching up on DC comic.......plot not as good as marvel but i am sure there will be a finale same like Infinity and Endgame.

We enjoyed these shows when we were young and now 40 yrs later these cartoon characters are made into real live characters and our children gets to enjoy to see them lifelike......but still cant beat what our generation enjoyed with the of weekly dose of cartoon character.

 

yes, using time travel was the easy way out and they took the easy way out.

 

and the movie would've been over in 30 mins if not for a rat. 

err...bro....you just opened up another 'wormhole' in the plot......

[Mockngbrd]

Because Endgame uses a different time travel theorey from Back to the future or other movies. Which is why it would not work for them to just travel back in time to kill baby Thanos. Because even if they killed baby Thanos and returned to their future, nothing would have changed. They would have just created another universe where Thanos did not exist and would not have changed their "future" where Thanos beat them. 

They used the "Multiverse theorey" which i think ties in with Dr Strange quite well.

 

 

 

Time travel in Avengers: Endgame is based on a popular time travel theory in the field of quantum physics. At one point, Iron Man even drops the name David Deutsch — that’s the guy who came up with the “Many Worlds Theory”or “Multiverse Theory.” Basically, he argues that the place we conceive of as our universe is just one of many parallel universes. And if you change something in the past, you create a new timeline, branching out from the original timeline. So nothing they do in the past affects their main timeline.

 

 

 

 

 past Thanos + army travel to the future via quantum realm don't need ERP pym particles one meh ? 

He got 1 from future Nebula. 

 

Here's a simple diagram i did up to explain (for just 2 time travel scenarios).
 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Mockngbrd

[Evillusion]

yes, using time travel was the easy way out and they took the easy way out.

 

and the movie would've been over in 30 mins if not for a rat.

wondering why you all blamed the rat...

[Mockngbrd]

http://time.com/5576656/avengers-endgame-time-travel/

[Theoldjaffa]

Ya lo. Means in the timeline where they jump back and Loki ran away with the tasseract, that became a different timeline liao. (Which we dunno what happen) Then Cap and Tony Stark went back to 1970 (even further back) to get the stone from Shield. (And stole pym particles to travel back to their present, also again creating another timeline) Cap also travelled back to 1970s to return the stone and stayed in this timeline until he got old. (Or maybe when his wife died)

Maybe this is how deja vu comes about.

 

That we experience something that's already happens in another timeline, that's why it feels familiar.

[Evillusion]

Because Endgame uses a different time travel theorey from Back to the future or other movies. Which is why it would not work for them to just travel back in time to kill baby Thanos. Because even if they killed baby Thanos and returned to their future, nothing would have changed. They would have just created another universe where Thanos did not exist and would not have changed their "future" where Thanos beat them.

 

They used the "Multiverse theorey" which i think ties in with Dr Strange quite well.

 

 

 

 

He got 1 from future Nebula.

 

 

Here's a simple diagram i did up to explain (for just 2 time travel scenarios).

 

this theory brings more question.....loki ran away, so he wasnt caught, then it means Thors series shouldnt have Loki being in prison and later teaming up with Thor...why the plot made it so......maybe for closure for Tony Stark as he gets to meet his father and made peace with himself before he got killed wielding the stone......thats why i would prefer the movie not to have a time machine.....just a sci-fi action movie...

[Mockngbrd]

this theory brings more question.....loki ran away, so he wasnt caught, then it means Thors series shouldnt have Loki being in prison and later teaming up with Thor...why the plot made it so......maybe for closure for Tony Stark as he gets to meet his father and made peace with himself before he got killed wielding the stone......thats why i would prefer the movie not to have a time machine.....just a sci-fi action movie...

Edited April 29, 2019 by Mockngbrd

[Evillusion]

Maybe this is how deja vu comes about.

 

That we experience something that's already happens in another timeline, that's why it feels familiar.

dejavu is a feeling of going through an event that you have gone through before. On many occasions i have that feeling......what i found out is that i am going through a hunger stage.....my mind not in sync with my physical body and its activities....got 1 time i thought i was going crazy so i broke my fast and my mind went back to normal. Maybe thats why monks are more susceptible to having somekind of dejavu.....

[Evillusion]

No it won't. Because going by this theory, everything that happened (the movies that we watched), have already happened and do not change as the original timeline has happened and is not affected. It just means what you think, is going to happen in an alternate timeline/universe.

 

You are thinking in Back to the future terms where what you change in the past affects your present. It might affect the you in another universe, but not you as you know it.

 

That's a popular theory. And some ppl also theorise that at every major point in a person's life, a timeline divergent is created.

i love Back to The Future....

[Mockngbrd]

i love Back to The Future....

Edited April 29, 2019 by Mockngbrd