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[Genie47]

You will not understand. We should end this.

 

Moderator! OY! MODERATOR! CLOSE THREAD AH!

[Fluffy]

i believe that is what is termed "tithe" where a tenth of what they have been blessed goes back to God (or the work of God) usually associated with helping the less fortunate, various charities and programs for the handicapped, for supporting full-time ministry staff, for training, etc. bascially the work of love.

[Fluffy]

I gota strange question here...why the heck is this discussion going on in a Conti car discussion thread? I though Lexus was Toyota?

 

LEXUS is also a biscuit. Found at Esso and Mobil marts.

[Seansene]

Do they crunch silently?

[Genie47]

vtech is also a bunch of learning toys easily available from ToysRUs.

 

"Ah boy! You got open VTECH ornot?"

Edited September 28, 2005 by Genie47

[Spas]

Oh yea. the Lexus biscuits are pretty good.

 

I like the veggie flavoured ones. Anyone knows where these biscuits are manufactured?

 

Jap brand? or from China? Any other biscuits to recommend?

[Wh1tehat]

i've actually witness 4 monks coming to the funeral at my block in a Jaguar XJ looks like a longwheelbase one.

 

yes, it surprised me.

 

but, what is wrong if the monk drives this car or that? must a monk or any religious person only drive 1.6litre car or less, or a car that costs $60,000 or less first hand, or less than $50,000 for 2nd hand?

 

who are we to legislate what a religious person can or cannot drive? Shouldn't it be left to the organisation that the religious person belongs to? Yes, it should. and if the people/congregation of the religious group thinks the money could have been used more wisely, they should bring that up.

 

a car that tempts you does not mean it tempts others too. We are tempted by our carnal desires and for each person, it is different. So a luxury car may tempt you, but for another, it doesn't do the same. It also depends if you are personally contented and grateful with what you yourself has. If you are contented, you can't be tempted.

 

so if it irks you that monks drive big cars and such, then be a monk......

 

No offence bro, but nowadays, Im no longer surprised there are people who think that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the above.

 

Your argument has a bit flaw. Assuming in a less than ideal world(which is today), your argument may lead to corruption and misuse and abuse of funds

 

Many people seem to think that a Monk is a JOB, and running a Non-Profit Organisation as a CEO deserves nothing less than any other CEO with a peanut paycheck of S$600,000, and that there is ABSOLUTELY Nothing wrong in that.

 

You see, that's the "me me me" approach, I do this, I deserve that. Commercial Jobs do that, and there's nothing wrong, but when you are performing as a JOB that does not bring in revenue but a SOCIAL GOOD for the society, and everyone perceives it to be and give to you, things are different. By your argument, an organisation determines what kind of car what a senior member of that organisation deserves to drive, so then I put it to you that Durai did nothing wrong. He was given by his board of directors. He flies "first class" amongst other things. In all fairness, he did a mighty fine job over the years, why was he then removed? A breach of trust, a trust that was placed in him from the public that money that went into the organisation was well spent and not into luxury items.

 

Controls needs to be in place, otherwise, it may all run amok like some neighbouring countries which take it upon themselves to determine what individuals of organisations deserve(on the side). And these organisations are those in power, not commercial organisations. Although it is a culture, that does not mean it is wrong. And a gift is questionable, do you know that a govt official cannot accept a gift more than $50 in value, unless pre-approved? A monk and a govt official is different, by virtue what they are empowered to do. But a Monk driving a lexus suggests that the temple he belongs to or runs needs little or no contribution.

 

True enough, I am not a legislator, and neither is the writer from SPH, or the people who contribute to NKF. As I am not pintpointing a person by name, I am merely stating a practise that should be made in Non-Profit Organisation or Religious entities. By displaying a lack of empathy and questioning our jurisdiction does not amount to anything. Again, a neighbouring country by virtue of the fact knows that it is in power, imposes such ridiculous "fees" again does not equate that it is right.

 

Lastly, temptations are everywhere, by saying temptations appeal to one and strictly not another is not accurate, and as carnal is over-stating it. Temptations and preferences are different. You are more stating preference. Prefer one girl over another, one food over another. Temptation is almost likened to greed. Given a choice to choose between a Hyundai and a Lexus(wo considering fuel prices), a general person will choose the lexus. A person wo temptation will probably ask himself "do I need one?"

 

I won't become a Monk, because my deepest respects for Monks or a person of the greatest religious nature, a person deviod of greed and temptation, leads me to believe that I cannot achieve that. It is not a degree, a diploma or a cert, which can be obtained with some years of training, it is a lifelong commitment to the path of enlightenment, salvation, and for the betterment of others, and the to do this has to come right out of your soul, not years spend mugging over txtbooks.

 

I am not a religious person, my confessions. And I have the deepest respects for those who have devoted their lives. A truly devoted religious person's rewards is his after-life, a regular persons' rewards after a hard day's work are material comforts and luxuries.

 

The above is imo, not intending to start a war or something.

 

Peace, sorry if i offended anyone. :)

 

*edited to remove ambigious words that may be interpreted as harsh.

Edited September 29, 2005 by Wh1tehat

[Wh1tehat]

How many of us can ever afford a GS300? Sad to say, maybe only 10-20%. We are not monks, and are often tempted by ways of luxury appeal, and there u have it, a MONK, supposedly devoit of any temptations, to add salt to wound.

 

 

Negative again. A monk is still human and still has desires although it may be of a lesser degree compared to normal folks. A monk is still cultivating himself. He won't have to remain a monk anymore if he is devoid of temptations. He is already enlightened.[/reply]

 

Everyone has desires, wo doubt. Monks are humans too.

 

I am not sure here, but the probability of that Monk driving the lexus should be one of a more senior position, rather than a junior one. By senior means one who has devoted several years and should possess the knowledge to differentiate right and wrong.

[Wh1tehat]

You guys are sure funny, I know what you guys are out to do , appreciate it. hahaaha...

[Porker]

Everyone has desires, wo doubt. Monks are humans too.

 

I am not sure here, but the probability of that Monk driving the lexus should be one of a more senior position, rather than a junior one. By senior means one who has devoted several years and should possess the knowledge to differentiate right and wrong.

 

Senior does not equate to more knowledge/less temptation. Ever see a junior chess master trump a more experienced senior chess master? Same analogy there.

 

Open up the mind bro. I know you're not religious. It doesn't matter here but open up and read things from all angles. No sarcasm to you by the way. Just a friendly exchange of views.

[Spas]

Precisely the message i was trying to get at. Amen to that!

[Tron]

i think in this day and age, a lot of things are left for us to decide - if we only open our eyes to see... information is definitely there for us to find and its clear that we cannot rely on others to govern such things.

 

look at all the corporate scandals locally & overseas, most of these bigwig/superstar companies at one time were the market darlings - overnight and theyre all destroyed & crapped. Yes, we have rules & regulations all in place; but why does it still happen? temptation? immorality? greed? carelessness? a combination? Dont you think tat the writings were in the sand from day 1? e.g: a company with hundreds to thousands of employees worth millions or billions - do u think the wrong doing occurred overnight? Y were they all blind??

 

Im sure most of these ppl who committed wrong do not believe or do not want to believe that what they are doing is wrong... its just business...or not? Otherwise how do they sleep at night?

 

IMHO, the same applies to religious entities... most are run like companies (though not profit making) which isnt wrong but it seems its a case of: ADD "humans" = trouble...

 

so no finger pointing... its up to us to THINK & DECIDE for ourselves what is good & what is wrong and act according to our own means.

 

e.g: if i go to a religious sanctuary and see granite-top toilet benches, waterfeatures, roofgardens, plasma screens and plush settings... i rather use the donation money to join a country club, no nid to donate just to make myself feel good or see it being wasted on such superficial things.

 

Yes basics for comfort and practicality are required - overdoing it IMO isnt.. but still to others there is nothing wrong with it. To those ppl i got nothing to say as long as i know in my heart what i was taught from young is right & wrong no nid argue so much.

[Porker]

Agreed Bro Tron.

 

Basic is only needed for those who lead a religious life. They set the example and standards for followers afterall.

 

Buying a GS from donations is a strict no no.

 

Receiving it as a gift from a donor due to reasons such as gratitude and etc... I think its fine. Whether he wants to keep it or cash out and donate to the temple ---> that is debatable because there're many reasons involved.

[Freakman]

just my point of view...

there are few types of monk here...

some perform ritual for 'commercial' usuage with a specific price...

and some are strictly a devoted monk perform his own self realisation praying...

 

for the first it is a common site to see that they travel around in lux transportation means by themselve as drivers.. whereas the other they were ferry around with the company of the devoters...

 

that all i have to say...

[Cantona156]

i've actually witness 4 monks coming to the funeral at my block in a Jaguar XJ looks like a longwheelbase one.

 

yes, it surprised me.

 

See it before. Was told they are "professional monks" .... those who carry out rites.

They are not the real deal.

[Cantona156]

Sighted a temple monk in a Lexus GS300.

 

It was a surreal sight.

 

Seeing the monk walking down the temple steps with a simple paper bag. And then the picture changed when he approached a black Lexus GS300, open its door, started the engine, reversed and drove out of the temple. I wonder...

 

I thought monks were supposed to lead a humble existence so they can reached nirvana or something? Or does reaching nirvana require a 3000cc engine? Or perhaps reaching nirvana will win you a GS300? Where do they get the money for the Lexus anyway? From temple donations? If so, isn't that wrong?

 

Good thing i didn't contribute a single cent to that temple. I'm not buddhist or taoist anyway. But somehow that picture still didn't make me feel good.

 

Issit just me or are pastors, monks and other religious/charity leaders living the high life? I mean, have they spotted a niche that I haven't?

 

Thoughts or experiences?

 

Meanwhile, i'm sifting the recruitment page for a "Monk Wanted" ad.

Well, it should be those devotees who donate the cars.

It would be rather stupid of the monks to use the temple's $$$ to buy the car.

 

Nonetheless, after the peanut case, I guess all of those who depend on donations should be more discreet.

So hope those monks, priest, rabai will get their acts together.

[Minicop]

Wait till you saw the monk in S600 and driver who drove him around.

[DarkLord]

New Creation Church

Got mehz? I thought only got CHC thread?