Nemozai Neutral Newbie October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 i read it somewhere in a malaysia magazine... a workshop has ready to install systems... to break up water into hydrogen and it will double your car's mileage... WOW... Was wondering if anyone knows where we can do tis in Singapore? and any feedback from those who have tried? ps : sorry if this topic has been started be4... ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_bergkam 1st Gear October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 Chemical experts, please come in to help. I know that this system wont work because more energy is required to split the water into hydrogen than can be produced. Details, any bro can provide? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaceracer 1st Gear October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 I saw it on the ad before. Did some research and contacted them but didnt do it cos its not cheap. A few hundred bucks, heavy, bulky and not much fuel savings. Further more it draws alot of current from the alternator to seperate the hydrogen and oxygen atoms... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathstalker 2nd Gear October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 I saw on Discovery Channel - Mythbusters - where the guys tried to run a car through electrolysis of water. Basically, it wont work - according to the show: (a) the water is split via electrolysis, into oxygen and hydrogen, from using the car's battery - this worked (b) hydrogen gas is vented into the engine (they connect the fuel hose to the new "fuel" tank) © car didn't start because the amount of hydrogen produced by the cracking of water, was never sufficient to begin with. To prove that a car can run via hydrogen gas combustion, the same guys forced hydrogen gas into the same engine, using a pressurized hydrogen gas tank. Car did run... But the engine exploded. In conclusion, our car engines were not designed to run off hydrogen gas. The gas is too volatile. Hope I explained properly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 (edited) "Run your car on water" Read the above link and it will tell you how the bullsh*t comes about. There's no need to even consult a Chemist. If you happen to see the BS video, it's plain BS. Mixing soda into water, of course you get a lot of bubble but does that amount of air in the bubbles gives you better mileage? If you know your science well you dun split oxygen & hydrogen atoms that easily in a jam jar with some electricity passing thru water. Edited October 23, 2009 by Watwheels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemozai Neutral Newbie October 23, 2009 Author Share October 23, 2009 (edited) Chemical experts, please come in to help. I know that this system wont work because more energy is required to split the water into hydrogen than can be produced. Details, any bro can provide? bro check out waterforgas.com seems many ppl have done it... i remember seeing in the old turf club corner polish shop got this product using some oxide thingy... looks like similar technology... if so good wonder why it hasnt kicked off yet in SG.... Sung Beng is offering H20 water de-carboning... i think the theroy is sama sama... must investigate.... like back to school project... haha.. Edited October 23, 2009 by Nemozai Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemozai Neutral Newbie October 23, 2009 Author Share October 23, 2009 omg... engine exploded? actually we all know that diesel engines can run on bio-fuels... or rather just plain cooking oil... that is filtered and adding a little bit of other stuff can make starting easier.. mythbuster did a show on tis topic but different results from other test i saw... really want to hear from someone who has tried this water thingy... will try to get some reviews from malaysia side... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yattokame 4th Gear October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 theoretically, water can be used as a fuel. the idea is to cause an expansion due boiling. from a small volume u get a huge volume (18g of water can produce in excess of 20~30litres of water vapour at boiling point). but time is required for boiling. combustion as in the case of fuel (or hydrogen gas) happens instantaneously, so does its expansion. electrolysis of water is aided by addition of small amts of acid or bases as there's too little mobile charged carriers in pure water to conduct electricity. and its too slow unless u use a HUGE current. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemozai Neutral Newbie October 23, 2009 Author Share October 23, 2009 theoretically, water can be used as a fuel. the idea is to cause an expansion due boiling. from a small volume u get a huge volume (18g of water can produce in excess of 20~30litres of water vapour at boiling point). but time is required for boiling. combustion as in the case of fuel (or hydrogen gas) happens instantaneously, so does its expansion. electrolysis of water is aided by addition of small amts of acid or bases as there's too little mobile charged carriers in pure water to conduct electricity. and its too slow unless u use a HUGE current. hi bro chemist... yah we know the theory... but you know of anyone who has this theory system in their cars... i saw an ad in MOTOR TRADER citing that they can do it... hmmmm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msimax Neutral Newbie October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 (edited) mine has been running on a small HHO set-up for almost a year already, slightly better FC, more torque, very wet exhaust tip, much better combusion. there are some ppl in sg running HHO actually, all using different set-ups. all DIY projects Edited October 23, 2009 by Msimax Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsavry Neutral Newbie October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 if it is really that good then dun think we will need to find place to install. many ppl should had known liao... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman302 2nd Gear October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 i read it somewhere in a malaysia magazine... a workshop has ready to install systems... to break up water into hydrogen and it will double your car's mileage... WOW... Was wondering if anyone knows where we can do tis in Singapore? and any feedback from those who have tried? ps : sorry if this topic has been started be4... Definately not in Saudi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msimax Neutral Newbie October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 being KS nature here, u think many of us will dare try? anyway due to displacement & spc issue, set-ups have to be customized particularly how to inject HHO into ur combusion chamber, so don't think of just buying off the shelf & make things work as stated in the manual unless u're willing to go through e re-work process Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msimax Neutral Newbie October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 since we're into this topic of why stuffs work but we don't find anyone doing it.. ever heard of plasma spark plugs & methanol injection? there r ppl who r experimenting these locally but if we bring it up in this forum, being typical s'porean, most will say snake-oil. as long as user is happy with e end result of e project, that's e most important aspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HesterHuang Neutral Newbie October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 I think there are some places in china trying electric car,but no one use water.that sounds so interesting,got to check more informtion later,hehee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yattokame 4th Gear October 23, 2009 Share October 23, 2009 hi bro chemist... yah we know the theory... but you know of anyone who has this theory system in their cars... i saw an ad in MOTOR TRADER citing that they can do it... hmmmm... I think I know which system you are referring to. I was tempted to try it but am also waiting for a guinea pig. Do you have the website for it? I have read a literature on using water as a fuel, and that they have developed the prototype. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemozai Neutral Newbie October 23, 2009 Author Share October 23, 2009 Definately not in Saudi. really ah? i thought Sahara was where this system started.... not meh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemozai Neutral Newbie October 23, 2009 Author Share October 23, 2009 since we're into this topic of why stuffs work but we don't find anyone doing it.. ever heard of plasma spark plugs & methanol injection? there r ppl who r experimenting these locally but if we bring it up in this forum, being typical s'porean, most will say snake-oil. as long as user is happy with e end result of e project, that's e most important aspect. true true... but not when the end result mught end in a BOOMZZZZ... engine blow... ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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