The Strenght of America vs the strenght of China

[1fast1]

You still don't get it. No one here is contradicting you on the military superiority of the USA. People here are disagreeing with your rose-tinted and somewhat naive views of the USA with regard to democracy and freedom. I am sure Private Danny Chen and Corporal Harry Lew once believed in the country of their birth (USA), democracy and all that crap and that is why they and many others signed on with the army.

 

The problem here is not what YOU believe, but what the WASP establishment does and does not in its actions.

 

You seriously think anyone gives a sh*t about you and how highly you think of the USA, its superiority of culture, military, technology, etc when the USA gets into a full-scale war with China? They see you as Chinese and that is all that matters to them. If US born-and-bred Danny Chen and Harry Lew couldn't even gain the friendship of their fellow American soldiers, what chances do you, an US citizen-wannabe born in Malaysia, speak English with Ching Chong slang, have at all when they are pulling you out from your bed and throwing you into the concentration camps. That is exactly what happened to the Japanese-American citizens during WW2 and if you asked me I don't think they have changed very much. The American WASP establishment is a strongly patriotic one and somehow Asians have never been regarded as true Americans up till today, as exemplified by Danny Chen's experiences in the Army when he had people asking him if he was from China despite being a born and bred New Yorker.

 

Hard Truth #1. Do you think they cared who were Viet Cong and who were US sympathisers when they carpet bombed entire stretches of central and north Vietnam with napalm? Do you think they cared who were al-Qaeda when they swept entire Iraqi villages with gunfire killing every person who looked remotely like an Iraqi in sight? These were sanctioned by the top military brass at the Pentagon as well as the senior politicians in the senate and white house, the very same people championing American Democracy in far-flung corners of the earth. They chose to look the other way and write these off as collateral damage.

 

Hard Truth #2. If by some stroke of luck you have acquired US residency when war between China and USA breaks out, first thing that will happen to you will be Americans of all other colours heckling you off the streets. Then you will find faeces smeared on your front door. You will get beaten up in the streets and the police won't even bother because you look EXACTLY like the people the USA are at war with on the other side of the world. These were EXACTLY the experiences of Arab-Americans across the country in the aftermath of 9/11 and if that doesn't make you think harder about your adoptive country and the people there, i dunno what will.

 

My point is, please remove your rose-tinted glasses and see things for what they are.

 

Why are you even bothering, bro? For an obviously smart guy, you seem to really enjoy bashing your head against a very thick wall.

 

Let this gin nah go and become a US Resident, heck even a (so-he-thinks) fully-fledged Citizen. Then, one fine day when the war you speak of has broken out and the Hammerskins have taken their prejudice out on him and broken every bone in his frail Chinese body while railing against "dirty Ch*nks" at the top of their hooligan voices, *and* he finds he's unable to seek real redress in the Courts, THEN we will see whether his love and admiration for the West is "unconditional".

 

Until then, I won't bother, and I don't see why you should either. Save your energy.

Edited December 24, 2011 by Turboflat4

[Cerano]

Why are you even bothering, bro? For an obviously smart guy, you seem to really enjoy bashing your head against a very thick wall.

 

Let this gin nah go and become a US Resident, heck even a (so-he-thinks) fully-fledged Citizen. Then, one fine day when the war you speak of has broken out and the Hammerskins have taken their prejudice out on him and broken every bone in his frail Chinese body while railing against "dirty Ch*nks" at the top of their hooligan voices, *and* he finds he's unable to seek real redress in the Courts, THEN we will see whether his love and admiration for the West is "unconditional".

 

Until then, I won't bother, and I don't see why you should either. Save your energy.

 

Clearly all that you understand is racism

 

No matter. You've got that part slightly wrong. Its not love neither is it admiration. Its merely profound respect.

 

Respect that every single person here should have for the Americans be they black, white or yellow because if not for them today we'd be still just an island with a Japanese flag.

 

As always you are entitled to your view (as racist as your views may be given that all you see of white people is racism), as I am mine. So good for you!

 

Maybe you can drop even by China if you havnt already and get a little bit of an understanding of what they think of other races too since you think that they are much better than the americans

Edited December 24, 2011 by Cerano

[1fast1]

Clearly all that you understand is racism

 

It's silly to say it's "all that I understand", but it's clearly something I understand a good bit better than you. Because I am a minority, even here, and it's something I've personally experienced. And continue to experience every time I go online because the faceless are especially emboldened.

 

Yet, I acknowledge that what I've experienced is likely to be far milder than what I might potentially experience from the wrong element in the US, Australia and certain places in Europe.

 

You will not really understand racism at a visceral level until, god forbid, it happens to you. And that's unlikely if you're a Chinese person in a Chinese majority country. So please don't presume to lecture me about this.

 

No matter. You've got that part slightly wrong. Its not love neither is it admiration. Its merely profound respect.

 

Whatever. "Effusive" and "gushing" are the adjectives I'd use to describe your sentiments, and I'd say they go a little beyond respect and well into slavish adulation. And I think others would share that assessment.

 

Respect that every single person here should have for the Americans be they black, white or yellow because if not for them today we'd be still just an island with a Japanese flag.

 

If I'm being cornered by a wolf and a tiger pounces on it, I'm not going to hang around waiting to thank the tiger after its meal. Let alone "respect" it for being true to its nature. The US did what they did to safeguard their own interests. It worked out well for us, but I don't see that we really owe them anything extraordinary.

Edited December 24, 2011 by Turboflat4

[Cerano]

It's silly to say it's "all that I understand", but it's clearly something I understand a good bit better than you. Because I am a minority, even here, and it's something I've personally experienced. And continue to experience every time I go online because the faceless are especially emboldened.

 

Yet, I acknowledge that what I've experienced is likely to be far milder than what I might potentially experience from the wrong element in the US, Australia and certain places in Europe.

 

You will not really understand racism at a visceral level until, god forbid, it happens to you. And that's unlikely if you're a Chinese person in a Chinese majority country. So please don't presume to lecture me about this.

 

No matter. You've got that part slightly wrong. Its not love neither is it admiration. Its merely profound respect.

 

Whatever. "Effusive" and "gushing" are the adjectives I'd use to describe your sentiments, and I'd say they go a little beyond respect and well into slavish adulation. And I think others would share that assessment.

 

Respect that every single person here should have for the Americans be they black, white or yellow because if not for them today we'd be still just an island with a Japanese flag.

 

If I'm being cornered by a wolf and a tiger pounces on it, I'm not going to hang around waiting to thank the tiger after it's meal. Let alone "respect" it for being true to its nature. The US did what they did to safeguard their own interests. It worked out well for us, but I don't see that we really owe them anything extraordinary.

 

Wow talk about being ungrateful

 

Being a minority says nothing at all about any experiences that you may have had in comparison to the rest of us. Everyone has different experiences and it would be silly or even naive, as you so insist that others are, to compare them.

 

Clearly you have your views on the US and I have mine and like you have said, I do not require you to lecture me either about your profound ethics and high-vaunted morals either. Especially certainly not about anything that I have experienced and you may not know about.

 

Finally, may I direct your attention to the fact that the subject matter being discussed here is not racism but rather the strength of America vs China.

 

Going off topic simply to bash me isnt going to help your case at all.

 

Going off topic to tell me that some Americans dont like us one bit at all isnt going to change the fact that the Chinese are very possibly even more morally corrupt and decrepit and are inferior to the Americans in MOST ways

Edited December 24, 2011 by Cerano

[1fast1]

As always you are entitled to your view (as racist as your views may be given that all you see of white people is racism), as I am mine. So good for you!

 

It's poor form to be putting words into the mouths of others. Now where did I say that "all" I see of white people is racism?

 

Maybe you can drop even by China if you havnt already and get a little bit of an understanding of what they think of other races too since you think that they are much better than the americans

 

Another non-sequitur. My opinion of the China Chinese (and I shall refrain from stating that because it's tangential here) has nothing to do with my admonition of your rather embarrassing *gushing* over the US. And I don't want to belabour the point about putting words in the mouths of others, but where *the hell* did I say that I thought the Chinese were "much better than the Americans"?

[Cerano]

It's poor form to be putting words into the mouths of others. Now where did I say that "all" I see of white people is racism?

 

Maybe you can drop even by China if you havnt already and get a little bit of an understanding of what they think of other races too since you think that they are much better than the americans

 

Another non-sequitur. My opinion of the China Chinese (and I shall refrain from stating that because it's tangential here) has nothing to do with my admonition of your rather embarrassing *gushing* over the US. And I don't want to belabour the point about putting words in the mouths of others, but where *the hell* did I say that I thought the Chinese were "much better than the Americans"?

 

It is inferred given the fact that the choice is between the Americans and the Chinese. I trust you are intelligent enough to figure that out given your degree and absolute intelligence.

 

My respect for the US is substantiated and is a matter of personal opinion. As always you are free to disagree of course with your own personal opinion. Or maybe not, given your vehemence at every phrase i utter in support of the Americans in comparison with the Chinese

 

 

And so you claim even though all you seem to be talking about in the last 2 posts is whitenecks and hammerskins bashing up "dirty chinks" like me?

Edited December 24, 2011 by Cerano

[Cerano]

bro turboflat, as a friend of my dad's I respect you fully.

 

i am not here to cast sarcasm or to argue with you. I see no need to resort to personal insults or derogatory terms

 

I am here simply to make the point that the Americans are not merely into everything for the money or oil or gold. Why else do we have organisations like Greenpeace or PETA or WWF?

 

There are values which still exist in American society.

 

Im not so sure the same can be said of the Chinese if you do know Chinese culture given how people in China would sell their parents to buy luxury goods. I know of one such case that actually did something like that to his step mother and real father.

 

All of the above are my personal opinions and these opinions reflect why I believe that the Americans will eventually trump the Chinese

Edited December 24, 2011 by Cerano

[Happily1986]

point in summary:

 

nobody is trying to tell you the Americans are bad in general. We are just saying they are not saints which is otherwise the impression, we think you are having.

 

sweeping impression(s) if there is such a thing, is never a good thing.

[1fast1]

It is inferred given the fact that the choice is between the Americans and the Chinese. I trust you are intelligent enough to figure that out given your degree and absolute intelligence.

 

My respect for the US is substantiated and is a matter of personal opinion. As always you are free to disagree of course with your own personal opinion. Or maybe not, given your vehemence at every phrase i utter in support of the Americans in comparison with the Chinese

 

 

And so you claim even though all you seem to be talking about in the last 2 posts is whitenecks and hammerskins bashing up "dirty chinks" like me?

 

It's "rednecks" actually. Get your Americanisms right, lest you embarrass yourself amongst your beloved people. .

 

I see no further point in debating this with you. Enjoy your opinions, but don't look to us for succour if you should encounter something that rudely shocks you out of your bliss. Merry Xmas.

[Cerano]

point in summary:

 

nobody is trying to tell you the Americans are bad in general. We are just saying they are not saints which is otherwise the impression, we think you are having.

 

sweeping impression(s) if there is such a thing, is never a good thing.

 

hi bro

 

yes i have always understood that from the start. Thats why i said if we ever have to choose between the lesser of two evils.

 

No place is perfect. No country is. No person is

[Cerano]

It's "rednecks" actually. Get your Americanisms right, lest you embarrass yourself amongst your beloved people. .

 

I see no further point in debating this with you. Enjoy your opinions, but don't look to us for succour if you should encounter something that rudely shocks you out of your bliss. Merry Xmas.

 

Merry Christmas to you too bro

[Scion]

Respect that every single person here should have for the Americans be they black, white or yellow because if not for them today we'd be still just an island with a Japanese flag.

 

this is absolutely nonsense

 

USA participated the WWII because Japan left them no choice after the Pearl Harbour sneak attack

u think they were so noble as to save the world?

 

WWII victory was shared among the allied, be it the US, Britain, Russia or China (read up Ledo Road on how the allies supplied China through India/Burma so that the Chinese could contain the Japanese forces at Kunming so they could not advance westwards)

 

anyway the Empire of Japan was expanding too fast and it was clear that they would not be able to hold on to their territories for long

if US did not join in the war, they would not even last 10 years, let alone 70 years

 

[Cerano]

this is absolutely nonsense

 

USA participated the WWII because Japan left them no choice after the Pearl Harbour sneak attack

u think they were so noble as to save the world?

 

WWII victory was shared among the allied, be it the US, Britain, Russia or China (read up Ledo Road on how the allies supplied China through India/Burma so that the Chinese could contain the Japanese forces at Kunming so they could not advance westwards)

 

anyway the Empire of Japan was expanding too fast and it was clear that they would not be able to hold on to their territories for long

if US did not join in the war, they would not even last 10 years, let alone 70 years

 

All of us know of the USA's isolationist tendencies under woodrow wilson.

 

I dont know if you know but Roosevelt wanted very much to be involved in the war before pearl harbour. This is set in stone and recorded in multiple sources. He merely lacked public support. Even so under the lend-lease programme they supported the brits with regular convoys via sea. Otherwise the British would have fallen much earlier

 

regardless of intent and intentions, it is a fact that they did liberate us knowingly or not. no dispute there

Edited December 24, 2011 by Cerano

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