China

[Vulcann]

Who says Mandarin is the language of our ancestors. Mandarin has a relatively short history compared to other chinese languages which we conveniently relegate them as dialect. The most widespread ancient language used by the emperors and their subordinates is actually a version of present day Hokkien, believe it or not? Both Japanese and Korean language are themselves a derivative of that Hokkien language. Noticed that the syllable "K" is extensively used in Jap and Korean language just like present day Hokkien. It is mostly absent in Mandarin.

 

No matter how I pronounce it, arigato gozaimasu does not sound like kum sia leh [laugh]

 

Only thank you in Korean, kamsahamnida, sounded close

[Vulcann]

There are always at least 2 ways to say most things in Japanese -- the "Chinese" way, and the Japanese way. "kansha desu" is also used in Japanese.

 

Forgive my ignorance.

 

kansha desu does make sense in this case.

[Scion]

aiyah.... no one high tech product is invented overnight..

 

rivals always copy one another, adding one or two features at a time, and over time, push the product to higher levels

 

look at cars, mp3 players, tv, computers, etc

 

tv doesn't started as LED or 3D... didn't LG or Sony or Philips copy one another to push the tv technologies to the levels today?

 

reverse engineering is part of innovation too

[Vulcann]

aiyah.... no one high tech product is invented overnight..

 

rivals always copy one another, adding one or two features at a time, and over time, push the product to higher levels

 

look at cars, mp3 players, tv, computers, etc

 

tv doesn't started as LED or 3D... didn't LG or Sony or Philips copy one another to push the tv technologies to the levels today?

 

reverse engineering is part of innovation too

 

The trick is to do so superbly until no one will notice the difference.

 

Best is you can come back and sue the bugger who invented the thing for copyright patents in the first place!!! [laugh]

Edited December 15, 2011 by Vulcann

[Scion]

The trick is to do so superbly until no one will notice the difference.

 

Best is you can come and sue the bugger who invented the thing for copyright patents in the first place!!! [laugh]

 

the rights of patents only last for 30 years i think... after that it's free for all

 

or if you are big enough, just pay royalties or a lump sum for the rival's unique features... just like Apple to Creative

[Topspin]

Not Hokkien, what you are looking for is known by linguists as "Middle Chinese". This is how it sounds like.

 

The three variation of the Hokkien language in Fujian province came about because of migration south starting from 2000 years ago of the people who speaks that language you are referring to. Today, only the Amoy hokkien version is deemed to be the official recognised hokkien language. The middle chinese version died out long ago.

 

All other hokkien speakers in the world outside of China (estimated to be the largest chinese language speakers after Mandarin) are themselves just a colloquial derivative of either one of the three Fujian hokkien variation. That explains the differences in north malaysia and South Malaysia/Singapore hokkien, Taiwan Hokkien, Thai Hokkien, Indonesian hokkien, etc.

[Cars08]

From drone to hokkien...hmm...wat is the link here bros....lol jus bcos of the word copy cat? Actually nt easy to be a copy cat..u cant be copying blindly.

[Vulcann]

Not only Hokkien but also most other Southern dialects. It's not that they are unique, but they have been largely isolated from the rapid development of Middle Chinese in the North and influences from foreigners.

 

There are two primary variants of "Hokkien" -- Quanzhou and Zhanzhou. Singapore's Hokkien variant is predominantly Quanzhou -- I spoke with an old Taiwanese man in Japan, and he could recognize my Quanzhou accent immediately. "Amoy" is a combination, but because of its strategic location and economic influence, it is more recognized.. just like Taiwanese and American English. But strictly speaking, it is "Minnan" because the Provincial capital of Fujian is Fuzhou and it is not a "Minnan", but belongs to "Mindo" lingual-branch.

 

Interesting 1-10 in Middle Chinese spoken by Tang/Song people, and other derived languages old and new :) Maybe one day we can watch Chinese period drama with actors speaking in proper Middle Chinese.

 

 

Fuzhou hua aka Hockchew here is a very different dalect altogether.

 

It sounded nothing like Hokkien even though the city is smacked inside Fujian as its provincial capital.

 

I said that because I am one but I know nuts about the language as I only know simple ones like e.g. ka liew, i-pa, i-moo, chek-gong.

 

For that matter, Fuqing and Putian also in Fujian but the languages spoken in these places also do not sound like Hokkien.

 

So it is interesting that you mentioned that many speaks Hokkien.

 

Variations of it like you said.

[Vulcann]

From drone to hokkien...hmm...wat is the link here bros....lol jus bcos of the word copy cat? Actually nt easy to be a copy cat..u cant be copying blindly.

 

Forum mah so we can get away with it even if our discussions goes OT sometimes

[Topspin]

From drone to hokkien...hmm...wat is the link here bros....lol jus bcos of the word copy cat? Actually nt easy to be a copy cat..u cant be copying blindly.

 

That is because someone said Mandarin is the language of all our ancestors ma (for the chinese race)...need to correct this extremely incorrect misconception.

 

Infact, Mandarin did not even originate from China. It got its roots from the Mongolian language.

[Renegade777]

That is because someone said Mandarin is the language of all our ancestors ma (for the chinese race)...need to correct this extremely incorrect misconception.

 

Infact, Mandarin did not even originate from China. It got its roots from the Mongolian language.

 

I did not say Mandarin is the language of ALL our ancestors. There are so many tribes in China.

 

Interesting. Can show me the prove that Mandarin gots its root from Mongolia ?

[Shull]

Until recently (say last fortnights), have you allow yourself to read some these non-US news/publishings/media report ?

 

Did I say "handicap" ?

 

My main news channel comes from (1) CNN (2) CNA (3) Al-jazeera and once in a while (4) CCTV..

[SLSAMG88]

Who says Mandarin is the language of our ancestors. Mandarin has a relatively short history compared to other chinese languages which we conveniently relegate them as dialect. The most widespread ancient language used by the emperors and their subordinates is actually a version of present day Hokkien, believe it or not? Both Japanese and Korean language are themselves a derivative of that Hokkien language. Noticed that the syllable "K" is extensively used in Jap and Korean language just like present day Hokkien. It is mostly absent in Mandarin.

 

Wow! Never thought of that! So cool...Japs and Koreans speak Hokkien!

 

 

[Topspin]

I did not say Mandarin is the language of ALL our ancestors. There are so many tribes in China.

 

Interesting. Can show me the prove that Mandarin gots its root from Mongolia ?

 

No historian has made any strong claims (political reasons perhaps or maybe the subject matter is just too complex??) but I cut and past two paragraphs below from different writers. This is typically how this issue is handled in an indirect manner in all the articles. In contrast, the history and origins of so called chinese "dialects" are so unambiguously documented in the history books.

 

 

1) Origin and History

 

China is a country with enormous geographic size and consequently there have existed many languages and dialects since ancient period.

Edited December 15, 2011 by Topspin

[Wishcumstrue]

My main news channel comes from (1) CNN (2) CNA (3) Al-jazeera and once in a while (4) CCTV..

 

So few?

 

I hope your sequencing of media doesn't reflect your preference of new source!

 

Cause if it is, I am afraid you will be missing out a huge chunk of the others are saying, say about the Iran-US drone incident.

 

Want me to show you other sources that you are unaware of?