Vulcann 6th Gear May 15, 2012 Share May 15, 2012 With capital punishment, there is no turning back in the event of a wrongful conviction... Cannot imagine how Deluna's family is feeling right now. Hope he RIP. Having said that, I am still in favour of having the death penalty in our local system though I hope it is robust enough to ensure that no innocent party suffers. IIRC a guy was wrongly charged with murder with his brother in a robbery cum murder case in a HDB flat not too long ago but luckily his pro bono lawyer fought tooth and nail to clear his name and succeeded. His brother was, however, sentenced to death I think. From CNA: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp...1201353/1/.html Wrong man was executed in Texas, probe says Posted: 15 May 2012 1356 hrs ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiadaw 6th Gear May 15, 2012 Share May 15, 2012 My eyes wet a little after hearing this. Such sadness. RIP Deluna. May his soul rest in Heaven. Our system is also very volatle as we rely on the judgement of a single judge. All human are bias, just more or less. While I do not think a Judy system should replace a Judge, for serious case, there should be at least 3 judges. Maybe one main, 2 more hearing the case in the courtroom. Only when ALL 3 agree on capital punishment, then it can go ahead. When you execute a person, there is no turning back. By the way, I hear we have one of the highest execution rate per capital. Like they said, when there is doubts, its better free a criminal then to punish an innocent man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unidentified 1st Gear May 15, 2012 Share May 15, 2012 the case where you mentioned in sgp is the 2 druggie bros went into the granny house and robbed and killed the granny.didn't pay much notice on this case but the 2 deserved the death penalty.not sure how come the other 1 managed to slip past the gallows. another recent case is the one who robbed and killed the property agent and dump her body at some bushes.this one also deserved the death penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear May 15, 2012 Author Share May 15, 2012 My eyes wet a little after hearing this. Such sadness. RIP Deluna. May his soul rest in Heaven. Our system is also very volatle as we rely on the judgement of a single judge. All human are bias, just more or less. While I do not think a Judy system should replace a Judge, for serious case, there should be at least 3 judges. Maybe one main, 2 more hearing the case in the courtroom. Only when ALL 3 agree on capital punishment, then it can go ahead. When you execute a person, there is no turning back. By the way, I hear we have one of the highest execution rate per capital. Like they said, when there is doubts, its better free a criminal then to punish an innocent man. Cannot even fathom the angst of Mr Deluna just before his execution - imagine ourselves being condemned to death even though we did not commit the said offences. Chilling thought... Not sure if the state of Texas has got any compensation system arising from wrongful convictions and in this case resulting in capital punishment. Then again any amount of money will never bring the wrongly accused back to life... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxus-MIFA9 Supersonic May 15, 2012 Share May 15, 2012 during that time, CSI still not so powerful yet and no DNA test... I don't think they will such mistake again with current advance method of testing of evidents.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiadaw 6th Gear May 15, 2012 Share May 15, 2012 (edited) during that time, CSI still not so powerful yet and no DNA test... I don't think they will such mistake again with current advance method of testing of evidents.... Lets hope so. With people, there will always be mistakes, but we can minimize mistakes with improve systems & workflow, & more rational minds etc. Such mistake should never be allow to happen again. Edited May 15, 2012 by Kiadaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTan 2nd Gear May 15, 2012 Share May 15, 2012 Sometimes we are wrong accused for illegal parking or speeding. The feeling is already sianz and unfair. I cannot imagine to be wrongly accused and facing real execution. I almost can feel the fear and helplessness in his heart when the verdict was read....and the moment before execution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ender Hypersonic May 15, 2012 Share May 15, 2012 Talking about robustness of the system, do you think in the Ah Hou case, where 2 out of 3 judge convicted him is robust enough to sent to the gallow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiadaw 6th Gear May 15, 2012 Share May 15, 2012 Talking about robustness of the system, do you think in the Ah Hou case, where 2 out of 3 judge convicted him is robust enough to sent to the gallow? 2/3 is only 66%. IMO, not sufficient for capital punishment. Sometimes emotions, popular views, & bias can cloud, or pressure judgement. Much like referees, as professional as they are, the impact of 60K screaming home fans can do thinks to your mind. Executing him is the political 'easy way', imagine the backlash from Singaporeans, who will cry at our Juridical system if he is proclaim free, or lock up until further evident (or lack of it), to give a convincing verdict. I am not supporting AH Hou, I did not follow the case all that much, but 2?3 is not good enough for capital offence. A parking offence, yes, not execution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear May 15, 2012 Author Share May 15, 2012 (edited) Talking about robustness of the system, do you think in the Ah Hou case, where 2 out of 3 judge convicted him is robust enough to sent to the gallow? IIRC Ah How kept silent throughout the trial and was convicted nonetheless based on witnesses' account and evidence. He was sent to the gallows eventually. Side track. How on earth was he able to slip across back home via the Causeway openly after the alledged murder and what was our authorities response of this embarrassment then? Edited May 15, 2012 by Vulcann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratagem 1st Gear May 15, 2012 Share May 15, 2012 I have just finished reading John Grisham's novel 'The Confession', which was released in 2010 and is quite a gripping story. I think he was inspired by cases like the above and he is vehemently against Capital Punishment, especially in the state of Texas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Bear Turbocharged May 15, 2012 Share May 15, 2012 I am against capital punishment in principle but look how the drug barons are running their empire from the prison. They can do anything and everything with the obscene amount of money they control. Most of them are in for life or more. Once they accept that their life belongs inside, They have nothing to lose except their life. What do you do with such people? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear May 15, 2012 Author Share May 15, 2012 Ironic that both Malaysians & us inherited the legal system which included both capital & corporal punishments from the Brits but our former colonial master had since abandoned these "cruel" & "barbaric" practices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windwaver Turbocharged May 15, 2012 Share May 15, 2012 Sometimes we are wrong accused for illegal parking or speeding. The feeling is already sianz and unfair. I cannot imagine to be wrongly accused and facing real execution. I almost can feel the fear and helplessness in his heart when the verdict was read....and the moment before execution. I agree, really feel sorry for the system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ngck 3rd Gear May 15, 2012 Share May 15, 2012 (edited) My eyes wet a little after hearing this. Such sadness. RIP Deluna. May his soul rest in Heaven. Our system is also very volatle as we rely on the judgement of a single judge. All human are bias, just more or less. While I do not think a Judy system should replace a Judge, for serious case, there should be at least 3 judges. Maybe one main, 2 more hearing the case in the courtroom. Only when ALL 3 agree on capital punishment, then it can go ahead. When you execute a person, there is no turning back. By the way, I hear we have one of the highest execution rate per capital. Like they said, when there is doubts, its better free a criminal then to punish an innocent man. here, its guilty unless proven innocent when they decide to charge you... can you imagine what was going thru the dead man's mind moments before his was killed? sad Edited May 15, 2012 by Ngck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear May 16, 2012 Author Share May 16, 2012 (edited) here, its guilty unless proven innocent when they decide to charge you... can you imagine what was going thru the dead man's mind moments before his was killed? sad "...sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit." Guess most bros will know that this sentence was uttered in every episode of the eighties hit series The A-Team. If it is reality that you are condemned to the gallows for something which you are wrongly accused of and convicted and you are now just counting down to the day of the execution, it is sheer mental torture to the limit.... Edited May 16, 2012 by Vulcann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ngck 3rd Gear May 16, 2012 Share May 16, 2012 "...sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit." Guess most bros will know that this sentence was uttered in every episode of the eighties hit series The A-Team. If it is reality that you are condemned to the gallows for something which you are wrongly accused of and convicted and you are now just counting down to the day of the execution, it is sheer mental torture to the limit.... i think i will go crazy if i am going to die for something i did not do... or maybe they already break you down until you mentally gave up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ngck 3rd Gear May 16, 2012 Share May 16, 2012 "...sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit." Guess most bros will know that this sentence was uttered in every episode of the eighties hit series The A-Team. If it is reality that you are condemned to the gallows for something which you are wrongly accused of and convicted and you are now just counting down to the day of the execution, it is sheer mental torture to the limit.... i think i will go crazy if i am going to die for something i did not do... or maybe they already break you down until you mentally gave up ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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