Hephaestus Clutched June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 I think i explan very clearly already, i want to read about the truth. what they do doesnt bother me. its like you want to watch transformer on TV, doesnt matter who is the director. I admire the way you dichotomize your emotions from things you read ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albeniz Turbocharged June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 It tells u LKY is not the 真名天子 Are you referring to 真命天子? 真名天子 sounds like crown prince with a real name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerwoods Turbocharged June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 I never disagree with use hard handed methods to obtain power... what I disagree is the tendency not to sugar coat it You like the History Books of Japan explaining the sugar coated WW2 events ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hephaestus Clutched June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 You like the History Books of Japan explaining the sugar coated WW2 events ? I would love it, if I had to kowtow to Japanese for sparing my life, in fact it would be the hard truth, the only truth I know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph22 Turbocharged June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 Are you referring to 真命天子? 真名天子 sounds like crown prince with a real name. i think only you realise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scion Turbocharged June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 qin wang never subscribed to democracy... Chinese have 5000 years of 1 man rule... view in this perspective the CCP is already a democracy of sorts... China had 38 years of democracy (in name) 1911 - 1949 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hephaestus Clutched June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 China had 38 years of democracy (in name) 1911 - 1949 1935-1949 civil war/world war II 1911 to 1934 there were elections? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albeniz Turbocharged June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 1935-1949 civil war/world war II 1911 to 1934 there were elections? Although from 1911-1949, there were civil war, world war II and no elections, that was the era the people could do whatever they want. Hence ~= democratic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hephaestus Clutched June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 Although from 1911-1949, there were civil war, world war II and no elections, that was the era the people could do whatever they want. Hence ~= democratic. kenna forced to in fight warlords' armies is your idea of democratic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph22 Turbocharged June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 Although from 1911-1949, there were civil war, world war II and no elections, that was the era the people could do whatever they want.Hence ~= democratic. this is can be found in a country with no law aka arnarchy too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hephaestus Clutched June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 this is can be found in a country with no law aka arnarchy too. that I have to agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scion Turbocharged June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 1935-1949 civil war/world war II 1911 to 1934 there were elections? Sun Yat-Sen was elected by 17 provinces to be the provisional president KMT was elected as the ruling party in the national election Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuan 6th Gear June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 Some say Qin shi wang was a great man, many says he is a tyrant, all agree China would have been different without him... Based on your analogy, Hitler was a great man too. Turned a war-torn and broken nation into a powerful war machine within a few years..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuan 6th Gear June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 Tang Tai Zhong Li Shi ming, killed his brother to ascend to be king. but he bring one of the most glorious era to china. anyway Mandate of heaven is different in each era. like bush got in despite having lesser vote than his compeitior. A lot of great emperors of China are like that.....Song Taizu, Huang Taiji, Yongzheng (it was supposed to be a rumour that he changed the imperial edict). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hephaestus Clutched June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 Sun Yat-Sen was elected by 17 provinces to be the provisional president KMT was elected as the ruling party in the national election against what other parties? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hephaestus Clutched June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 Based on your analogy, Hitler was a great man too. Turned a war-torn and broken nation into a powerful war machine within a few years..... Neo Nazis wouldn't disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hephaestus Clutched June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 Based on your analogy, Hitler was a great man too. Turned a war-torn and broken nation into a powerful war machine within a few years..... there are Russian hardliners who thinks Stalin was a great man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scion Turbocharged June 11, 2012 Share June 11, 2012 against what other parties? Sun was elected as the first president of the newly formed democratic government after the collapse of Qing his opponents were Li Yuan Hong and Huang Xing... both were not as charismatic and reputed as him, as he easily won 16 out of 17 votes by the representatives from the 17 provinces of China later in the national wide election, KMT competed with other mickey mice parties who supported Yuan Shih-kai, such as 统一党, 民社, 国民协进会, 民国公会, 国民共进会, 共和党 Led by Song Jiaoren, they easily won the majority ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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