3rd Generation Volkswagen Touran

[Sopskysalat]

This is the misconception of many thinking diesel engine propels the car fast due to its high torque. The initial pick up from stationary to the car started moving forward, diesel car has its advantage. Following that, due to its higher rev range, petrol car has its advantage of pulling the car faster. Of course, both engine must be comparative in engine output.

 

Diesel engine has high compression and due to the longer stroke per cycle, it takes slightly more time to complete one rotational cycle which petrol engine has its advantage in lower compression couple with higher revolution.

 

Note that high compression is a result of the high torque it produces not to mention piston bore size. The bore size effect can be seen in 3 cylinder engine has slightly higher torque compare to same engine capacity of 4 potter equivalent.

 

Thks for the feedback. Strange cos I always feel the stronger diesel torque would result in better initial pick up esp from standstill.

 

[Spring]

This is the misconception of many thinking diesel engine propels the car fast due to its high torque. The initial pick up from stationary to the car started moving forward, diesel car has its advantage. Following that, due to its higher rev range, petrol car has its advantage of pulling the car faster. Of course, both engine must be comparative in engine output.

 

Diesel engine has high compression and due to the longer stroke per cycle, it takes slightly more time to complete one rotational cycle which petrol engine has its advantage in lower compression couple with higher revolution.

 

Note that high compression is a result of the high torque it produces not to mention piston bore size. The bore size effect can be seen in 3 cylinder engine has slightly higher torque compare to same engine capacity of 4 potter equivalent.

Thks for the clarification.

 

Bro @yokechye was comparing between 2 Tourans, both same cc but 1 being diesel and the other being petrol. Without testing either before, my take would be the diesel would be initially faster from standstill n hence I'm abit surprise he said the pick up slower. I'm aware as it goes on after say 80-100m, petrol will win as per your explanation.

 

I stand corrected cos I've not driven the Tourans before though.

[Sopskysalat]

Well, the "initial" can be just that short length of meters. If you see the 0-100 sprint, petrol is faster. 

I'll go for the petrol any time.for its refinement and speed but for cost, it will be diesel,

Cost is relative as we do not know what is the cumulative cost over years of ownership.

 

 

Thks for the clarification.

 

Bro @yokechye was comparing between 2 Tourans, both same cc but 1 being diesel and the other being petrol. Without testing either before, my take would be the diesel would be initially faster from standstill n hence I'm abit surprise he said the pick up slower. I'm aware as it goes on after say 80-100m, petrol will win as per your explanation.

 

I stand corrected cos I've not driven the Tourans before though.

 

[Spring]

Well, the "initial" can be just that short length of meters. If you see the 0-100 sprint, petrol is faster. 

I'll go for the petrol any time.for its refinement and speed but for cost, it will be diesel,

Cost is relative as we do not know what is the cumulative cost over years of ownership.

 

This 0-100 timing does diesel cars abit of injustice I feel cos diesel cars will likely peak at around 60-70kmh from standstill which is enough to overtake, change lanes etc but of course towards 100kmh, the petrol variant will be faster so depends on what you want and your expectations but I do agree with you if I'm buying a Touran now, i'll go for the petrol esp in this climate of emission clamp down in our local environment. Also I think they are the same price so not much incentive to go diesel.

[Heartlander]

As a past Touran owner, I am always open to consider this ride if the infamous 7-speed DSG has indeed been solved.

 

I would like to get feedback from current 3rd gen Touran owners what is their experiences on owning the ride, any issues with the gearbox so far and service at workshop etc etc.

 

Many thanks in advance.

[yokechye]

Thks for the clarification.

 

Bro @yokechye was comparing between 2 Tourans, both same cc but 1 being diesel and the other being petrol. Without testing either before, my take would be the diesel would be initially faster from standstill n hence I'm abit surprise he said the pick up slower. I'm aware as it goes on after say 80-100m, petrol will win as per your explanation.

 

I stand corrected cos I've not driven the Tourans before though.

@Spring if you look at just the figures between 1.4L petrol and 1.6L diesel 0-100km/h speed at 8.9s and 11.4s respectively, the petrol is quite fast. looking at the power output, it is 110kW(148bhp) and 85kW(114bhp) respectively. Torque figures are the same at 250Nm. 

 

when I compare it with the 216d GT, it is10.9s, 87kW(116bhp), Torque at 270Nm.

 

I am not too sure but my feel is that the power output do plays an important role in pick up speed as well as 0-100km/h acceleration when comparing the 2 different Touran engines. vehicle weight also plays a part too as I noticed Touran is approx 217kg lighter than 2GT.

[Spring]

@Spring if you look at just the figures between 1.4L petrol and 1.6L diesel 0-100km/h speed at 8.9s and 11.4s respectively, the petrol is quite fast. looking at the power output, it is 110kW(148bhp) and 85kW(114bhp) respectively. Torque figures are the same at 250Nm. 

 

when I compare it with the 216d GT, it is10.9s, 87kW(116bhp), Torque at 270Nm.

 

I am not too sure but my feel is that the power output do plays an important role in pick up speed as well as 0-100km/h acceleration when comparing the 2 different Touran engines. vehicle weight also plays a part too as I noticed Touran is approx 217kg lighter than 2GT.

 

Ok thks bro for the feedback.

 

I didn't know the cc was different for the 2 models, thought they were the same. Perhaps you could be right then that the power output helped the petrol to pick up faster. All the more a buyer should get the petrol version unless he is a very heavy user. Don't see how VW going to move this diesel here then, cheers!

[yokechye]

Ok thks bro for the feedback.

 

I didn't know the cc was different for the 2 models, thought they were the same. Perhaps you could be right then that the power output helped the petrol to pick up faster. All the more a buyer should get the petrol version unless he is a very heavy user. Don't see how VW going to move this diesel here then, cheers!

with a 13.9k lower price tag for the diesel version, i would think they are still able to move it. until next year not sure already. However, so far for the 1.4l petrol, the fuel consumption is doing pretty good and can hit 800km or more depending on driving style.

[Spring]

with a 13.9k lower price tag for the diesel version, i would think they are still able to move it. until next year not sure already. However, so far for the 1.4l petrol, the fuel consumption is doing pretty good and can hit 800km or more depending on driving style.

Wow sorry I all wrong info!

 

Was told by my friend who bought a Sharan that his SE say same price. If $14k diff then I think can move a few diesels for sure. Was wondering why they sell same price which was obviously wrong info, thks!

 

Diesels typically can get around 30% FC savings and not to mention diesel price is also 30% cheaper than 95 petrol but of course road tax more but for 1.6l its about $50+ more a month only. That said, I'll still take petrol in this present climate.

[Sopskysalat]

Because power output is RPM * Torque.

 

The high rev does help. Other factors such as how the car is tuned - for power or torque? and the transmission.

 

@Spring if you look at just the figures between 1.4L petrol and 1.6L diesel 0-100km/h speed at 8.9s and 11.4s respectively, the petrol is quite fast. looking at the power output, it is 110kW(148bhp) and 85kW(114bhp) respectively. Torque figures are the same at 250Nm. 

 

when I compare it with the 216d GT, it is10.9s, 87kW(116bhp), Torque at 270Nm.

 

I am not too sure but my feel is that the power output do plays an important role in pick up speed as well as 0-100km/h acceleration when comparing the 2 different Touran engines. vehicle weight also plays a part too as I noticed Touran is approx 217kg lighter than 2GT.

 

Edited April 27, 2017 by Sopskysalat

[skalikat]

Hi all, can somebody advise what problems does the dsg give on this new car?

[yokechye]

Hi all, can somebody advise what problems does the dsg give on this new car?

It's still pretty new as none of us have yet to pass the 1yr mark yet. So far so good as of now

[Ahyoo2002]

Went to check and test drive this car yesterday. I test drove the diesel one as I thought the overall running cost for diesel will be lower. 

 

Just curious anyone bought this car recently? 

 

Personally I think this car is very comfortable, and space is rather good as compare to BMW 216 GT. However, I never own a conti so kind of unsure with this. 

[yokechye]

Went to check and test drive this car yesterday. I test drove the diesel one as I thought the overall running cost for diesel will be lower.

 

Just curious anyone bought this car recently?

 

Personally I think this car is very comfortable, and space is rather good as compare to BMW 216 GT. However, I never own a conti so kind of unsure with this.

Have you test drive the TSI yet? I think there's a few TDI owners here.

U will be travelling alot? It will be a savings of you travel like more than 20k p.a.

[Ahyoo2002]

Have you test drive the TSI yet? I think there's a few TDI owners here.

U will be travelling alot? It will be a savings of you travel like more than 20k p.a.

 

Yearly I travel more than 20K and hence looking at diesel. Should I look at petrol one but petrol model quite expensive?

 

One quick question, does Touran has the electric adjustable seat? 

[yokechye]

Yearly I travel more than 20K and hence looking at diesel. Should I look at petrol one but petrol model quite expensive?

 

One quick question, does Touran has the electric adjustable seat?

Ic. Then probably diesel is good for you then.

 

Touran doesn't come with electronic adjustable seats.

[Ahyoo2002]

Ic. Then probably diesel is good for you then.

 

Touran doesn't come with electronic adjustable seats.

 

Overall Touran is very nice and with feature such as brake hold and CC. I find it weird without electric seat.

 

SE told me the high level spec one come with keyless entry. No keyless entry means I need to use the car key to open car door? 

[yokechye]

Overall Touran is very nice and with feature such as brake hold and CC. I find it weird without electric seat.

 

SE told me the high level spec one come with keyless entry. No keyless entry means I need to use the car key to open car door?

My personal opinion is that electric adjustable seats only use once in a while. Unless there is a need to adjust or it should have memory function to auto adjust to different drivers, if you have many drivers. otherwise, not much in use. Therefore manual is fine with me.

 

 

Keyless entry means you no need to take out the key to press the unlock button. Just need to approach the car door and "slot" in your hand to unlock and open the door. Locking is the place your finger on the door handle "buttonless" button.