AMSOIL rocks!

[Picanto]

Just to highlight one thing.

 

!!DO NOT USE AMO 10W40 IF YOU CAR IS NEW!!

 

This oil is APM:SL because the ZDDP inside the oil is higher than limits for API:SM. I don't know if the extra zinc will damage the cat or not but its safer not to use it. If you fail inspected because of the cat, its going to cost you $$$ to change it.

 

 

there is no truth to what you post.

[Mini-itx]

there is no truth to what you post.

 

I suggest you check out the difference between SL and SM specs and the reason why is ZDDP greatly reduced in today's oils. After that, you can come and tell me what I posted is utter BS.

 

 

Its so bad that old cars (esp. those classic cars) have to resort to using ZDDP additives because SM oils simply are not able to produce enough protection for the engines.

Edited May 29, 2010 by Mini-itx

[Picanto]

I suggest you check out the difference between SL and SM specs and the reason why is ZDDP greatly reduced in today's oils. After that, you can come and tell me what I posted is utter BS.

 

 

Its so bad that old cars (esp. those classic cars) have to resort to using ZDDP additives because SM oils simply are not able to produce enough protection for the engines.

 

can trex 101 verify this?

[Mini-itx]

I just bought Amsoil severe gear oil 75W90 for my car today. Shiok, my shifting is much smoother after the change in oil. Can't use the Amsoil MTF because my gear box requires GL5 oil (MTF is GL4).

Edited May 29, 2010 by Mini-itx

[Trex101]

can trex 101 verify this?

 

Yes Mini-itx is correct. ZDDP & phosphorus is lowered to protect the emission system but more importantly, the latest SM oils are designed to provide improved oxidation resistance, improve engine cleanliness, improved deposit protection, better wear protection, and better low-temperature performance over the life of the oil than API SL.

 

The addition of ZDDP usually results in reduced cleanliness, higher engine temperatures and more deposits. Some studies have shown that going past 1400 ppm of phosphorus will increase wear over the long term, and going above 2000 ppm will begin to break down iron and result in camshaft spalling.

 

That said, there is always pro and con as with any new standard. API SL is still safe for used with new car, read your owner manual as usually they will recommended the min API standard that is safe to use. API SL oil will not destroy your cat converter unless you are burning alot of engine oil but can be useful under high load or track work application. So as i always said, it's all depend on application.

[Octopus]

am using this too.. FC is average. but it really can last the full 10k without a single bit of deterioration. engine not rough.. FC doesn't change throughout. after all its meant to last 50,000km if using the EA filter. intend to change it out at 12k.

 

the best oil to use, i feel, is still mobil 0w40, the local version (not the MX versions).. FC better than SSO by at least 0.5km/L

 

What are the difference between Mobil 1 0w40 (local) vs Mobil 1 0w40 (MX version<USA?>)

 

http://www.mobil.com.sg/Singapore-English/...obil1_0W-40.asp (local)

 

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorO...il_1_0W-40.aspx (MX version)

 

I only noticed that local version having more "approval specification" than USA version, but don't have product data sheet for detail comparison.

 

I also hear (in another forum) from someone working in exxonmobil locally mentioning that there are some difference between Mobil 1 of the same grade between local vs overseas, but he didn't explain what exactly are the difference...

 

[Shanhz]

What are the difference between Mobil 1 0w40 (local) vs Mobil 1 0w40 (MX version<USA?>)

 

http://www.mobil.com.sg/Singapore-English/...obil1_0W-40.asp (local)

 

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorO...il_1_0W-40.aspx (MX version)

 

I only noticed that local version having more "approval specification" than USA version, but don't have product data sheet for detail comparison.

 

I also hear (in another forum) from someone working in exxonmobil locally mentioning that there are some difference between Mobil 1 of the same grade between local vs overseas, but he didn't explain what exactly are the difference...

 

this is what i hearsay:

 

local blends are made for local consumption, therefore they are designed for our weather/humidity/traffic, etc. the US versions are similarly blended for their local use. same reason why EO in malaysia costs the same dollar for dollar, but in RM$ instead of S$. why so cheap? other than lower costs of production, the quality also different.

 

above hearsay only.

[Trex101]

Differences is, local Mobil version does not have the "API donut" while USA version have.

[Mini-itx]

this is what i hearsay:

 

local blends are made for local consumption, therefore they are designed for our weather/humidity/traffic, etc. the US versions are similarly blended for their local use. same reason why EO in malaysia costs the same dollar for dollar, but in RM$ instead of S$. why so cheap? other than lower costs of production, the quality also different.

 

above hearsay only.

 

Don't think EO in MY is exactly cheaper though..... Saw Mobil and Shell EO at petrol stations. Prices is just as expensive as SG (~RM200 for SHU).

[Mini-itx]

Yes Mini-itx is correct. ZDDP & phosphorus is lowered to protect the emission system but more importantly, the latest SM oils are designed to provide improved oxidation resistance, improve engine cleanliness, improved deposit protection, better wear protection, and better low-temperature performance over the life of the oil than API SL.

 

The addition of ZDDP usually results in reduced cleanliness, higher engine temperatures and more deposits. Some studies have shown that going past 1400 ppm of phosphorus will increase wear over the long term, and going above 2000 ppm will begin to break down iron and result in camshaft spalling.

 

That said, there is always pro and con as with any new standard. API SL is still safe for used with new car, read your owner manual as usually they will recommended the min API standard that is safe to use. API SL oil will not destroy your cat converter unless you are burning alot of engine oil but can be useful under high load or track work application. So as i always said, it's all depend on application.

 

Any idea what new stuff they added into SM oil to improve wear protection. Cause other than the usual EP additives in the market, I don't think there are any new compounds (other than Boron) that could provide EP protection as good as usual ones like MOS2 and ZDDP etc.

[Trex101]

Any idea what new stuff they added into SM oil to improve wear protection. Cause other than the usual EP additives in the market, I don't think there are any new compounds (other than Boron) that could provide EP protection as good as usual ones like MOS2 and ZDDP etc.

 

ZDDP is just cheaper form of additives that works.

 

For API SM rating, most blender no choice but force to buy a more expensive additives package with less ZDDP but performs just as well or even better than the old formula. Overall API SM is great news for mineral oil user but not much differences among the high end synthetic crowd here.

[Mini-itx]

ZDDP is just cheaper form of additives that works.

 

For API SM rating, most blender no choice but force to buy a more expensive additives package with less ZDDP but performs just as well or even better than the old formula. Overall API SM is great news for mineral oil user but not much differences among the high end synthetic crowd here.

 

Any source regarding this additive package? Cause I am interested to know what they add.

[Octopus]

Differences is, local Mobil version does not have the "API donut" while USA version have.

 

Managed to find the product data sheet....

 

http://www.mobil.com/Singapore-English/Lub...bil_1_0W-40.asp (Local)

 

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS...bil_1_0W-40.asp (USA)

 

Everything seems identical... But API certification does it apply to different countries of manufacture?

[Trex101]

Managed to find the product data sheet....

 

http://www.mobil.com/Singapore-English/Lub...bil_1_0W-40.asp (Local)

 

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS...bil_1_0W-40.asp (USA)

 

Everything seems identical... But API certification does it apply to different countries of manufacture?

 

Probably so, that why local Mobil version save on API license fee without the "donut".

[Kingcopa]

Beside MX trading... whr can i get Amsoil oil? Wan to buy from MX trading also very troublesome. only open 530 till 8pm

[Robin]

can i check if Schaeffer 9k 5w40 meets/exceeds ACEA-C3 requirements?

i cant find this info in their website

[Trex101]

can i check if Schaeffer 9k 5w40 meets/exceeds ACEA-C3 requirements?

i cant find this info in their website

 

Don't think so cos Schaeffer's PDS doesn't indicate they meet ACEA-C3 spec. Amsoil DEO 5w40 might be of interest to you as they meet ACEA E9 spec, which is similar to C3 spec.

 

ACEA C3

http://www.lubrizol.com/EuropeanEngineOils/C308.html

 

ACEA E9

http://www.lubrizol.com/EuropeanEngineOils/E908.html

[Etnt]

If E9 spec then IIRC schaeffer 9k 5w40 also meet leh.