X-rev Engine Oil

[Normal_aspirated]

ah, chemlube.........an esther-based racing oil, and old proven oil even till today.

[Smart]

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[Smart]

How good is the engine oil compare to others?

[Lexl]

Hi Smart.

 

As a user, I think it is much better than Shell, Mobil 1 and some of the other leading brands...can't say I've tried them all. The main benefit is that the engine is smoother and quieter. They say that this is due to the anti-friction metal treatment additive that bonds to the metal surfaces in the engine. I've not found this in any other engine oil so far. The test which they do - driving a car without any engine oil in it after treatment with Xrev, is quite something else. I've driven some 3-4K km on this oil so far and it still great. More power on acceleration too.

 

I introduced to a friend who used it on his Mazda 3. He liked it so much that he went back this morning and got some more for his other car - a MX5.

[Still_wishing]

I've no idea. But my fren, who tried on his altis, already drained it out after a few days. His feedback was the engine became rough and noisy maybe not suitable for his car no offence to other supporter...

[Southpark2000]

Actually, I've tried the new Xrev after reading the review on Wheels and I've found it to be as good as they claim it to be. Of course, I did not run my car without any oil in the engine, but my car was certainly smoother in acceleration and quieter at cruising speeds. Better pick up as well. A friend of mine used it in his M6 and drove it to M'sia. His feedback was also positive. I think it is worth trying it since it is quite price competitive at $85 for 4L.

 

Actually one question, esp. to Prof Genie and experts here.

 

The lube seller here claims that the car can run without their engine oil.....

 

But I thot cars can still run - for a while that is - if yr engine oil is dry? I mean if the oil warning sign lights up on yr dash, you can still run the car rite?

 

May we borrow their test car, fill it wif shell helix, M1, cxxxxxe, etc. and do the same test....my bet is that the car will still run.

 

Of course, the failing of the test is that they did not disassemble the engine to see if got damage or not....

 

Southpark

The Dude

[Lexl]

I've no idea if the other brands will pass the "No-Oil-Run" test. It would be an interesting exercise. But if the others can actually do it, why don't they ever publicize it? It is, after all, a powerful statement of the effectiveness of the additives (not so much the base oil itself). The Xtreme Lube people claim that it is because of their proprietary "anti-friction metal treatment formula" that does the molecular bonding (I guess that's why they call it "ZeroFriction") and allows the test car to travel from Tuas to Changi Airport with a dry engine after treatment. The Wheels review also mentions that the test has been done from JB to KL. That's huge!

[Lordalfa]

Yes it can be fully synthetic. Well, legally "synthetic" because Castrol has won the rights to call highly refined and severely hydrocracked mineral oil called Group III to be synthetic. This was argued when Mobil 1 sued Castrol for deceiving customers and lost. "Synthetic" it was argued as "synthetic performance" rather than a process.

 

So, if you ask me if cxxxxxe Triple R 5W40 is fully synthetic? Yes, it is. How can it be this cheap? Because Group III basestocks are cheap but good. Almost to Group IV PAO basestock. Good enough for the the street car. Not so much for highly tuned performance and race engines.

 

A good reference point will be Conoco Hydroclear Diamond 5W30. Conoco bought the processing technology from Chevron. This oil is 45-55% Group III. So is it crap? Nope. For price of RM79, it is SGD35! Good but cheap. Just like cxxxxxe Triple R 5W40.

[Lordalfa]

No Oil Run eh? Let's put your car on the No Oil Run test.

 

I wouldn't. It ain't cheap to change a block.

[Genie47]

Want to run a car w/o oil? Can, if your car is a Honda and you fill the crankcase wtih water instead of oil. Remember the video? Not oil as lubricant but water as lubricant.

 

But look at it this way:

 

When an engine is running at full oil pressure there is hydrodynamic lubrication. There is absolutely no metal-to-metal contact at all. How is that for zero friction. In the case of water as lubricant, it can do it too but water boils off pretty fast and you are all dry with no lubricant.

[Genie47]

As a user, I think it is much better than Shell, Mobil 1 and some of the other leading brands...can't say I've tried them all. The main benefit is that the engine is smoother and quieter.

 

As a user, you have tried all the oils but not the right grades. 10W50? 0W40? 15W50? Unless you are driving a car with bars of boost, these oils are going to weigh you down.

 

anti-friction metal treatment additive that bonds to the metal surfaces in the engine.

 

Other engine oils have them. These are Group V esters. Chemlube, Motul 300V and Redline are motor oils with esters. Esters are polar in nature and will bond to the metallic surfaces. You pay a lot more for these because they got a high % of esters and esters are true synthetic stuff. If it is not the basestock, then the only additive capable of "bonding" and filling up the nooks and crannies is molybdenum and you cannot fight against Redline for the amount it has.

 

More power on acceleration too.

 

A drop in 1 or 2 grades to 30wt and 20wt will see an increase in power and fuel economy.

[Lexl]

What you have said is quite true except that lubricant technology has advanced in recent years as molybdenum is no longer the only additive capable of "bonding".

 

I was told that about 20% of the content of Xrev is additives - including their proprietary anti-friction metal treatment formula. Well, whatever the science behind it all is, I still think that for that price ($85) for 4L to enjoy the benefits of what I am now getting, it is a pretty good deal. Certainly better bang for my buck than a Shell or Mobil.

 

Yes, you can get cheap synthetic oil at $29.90 at Carrefour, but having used it, I think there is no comparison between that and whatever the additive technology that goes into Xrev....IMHO that is.

[Genie47]

I don't know which planet you are from but $85 for this oil? Exxon-Mobil, Royal-Dutch-Shell and Chevron will indeed crush it flat with the marketing muscle they have. Interesting that you used the word comparison. To compare you have to produce results side-by-side, not testimonials.

 

The bottom line is this. Show us the numbers if you want to add weight to the comparison. USD35 is around SGD60 plus maybe SGD6 for the shipping the used oil to Terry Dyson. I think it shouldn't be a problem if SGD85 for 4L of motor oil is a good deal to you.

[Clubace]

I think this discussion has no further merit if an oil analysis isnt done to see what's the content in this oil.

 

Personally, i would like to see a quantitative result rather than a qualitative result but it seems that there no UOA on it.

[Southpark2000]

x2

 

We dun even know wat viscosity, flash points, pour points, etc. for that matter.

 

- wait - or even wat basestocks they using - Group III, IV, V...

 

Southpark

The Dude

[Clubace]

Technical Specifications

 

Xrev ZeroFriction Formula meets or exceeds the requirements of all major car manufacturers and the following industry standards:

 

* API SL/CG

 

* ECI SAE 5W-40

 

* ACEA A3/B3

 

* VW 500

 

* Japanese Engines Qualified

 

 

 

Think its a 5W40 oil.

[Southpark2000]

Thanks ClubeAce

 

I was thinking the standards work on ranges. Pple will tell u whether it is a thin 5w40 or a thick oil within the grade.

 

Not directed at yourself, but sharing thots here:

 

Any respectable oil lube coy gives figures on pour points, flash points, etc. which differs oil to oil even in the same grade (see those Amsoil comparative charts in sticky as illustration)

 

Also, we will also have answers to what basestocks it is made from, as Genie had pointed out, Group III onwards are legally considered synthetic.

 

Also, if it is that good, why no patent? No objective indpt objective test vs "evidentiary" test? For the no-lube test, I expect the following:

 

TEST #1

- Say SPRING to unassemble the engine. See inital condition wear n tear.

- Flush old oil and replace with xlube

- Run 15 min. Drain all. Run the car from Tuas to Changi. Leave o'nite. Run in morning.

- Disassemble engine to see condition of wear n tear. If xlube so good and sticks to the engine, we shld see minimal wear and tear.

 

TEST #2

- Use same procedures and test lab as Test #1. Now test with say Mobil-1 engine oil.

- Compare wear and tear with x-lube. If x-lube superior, we shld see statisical significance in wear and tear.

 

Only then, can we safely conculde that x-lube does protect the engine as claimed. Running the car without eng oil is not proof that the oil protects the engine. It only proves the car was tough enough to run without engine oil per se. The proof can only come with before-after comparison test, plus, cross comparison test.

 

Southpark

The Dude

[Clubace]

15 mins too short..

 

Should go for 72hrs and at high load too.