IT Course - MCSE

[Drive_carcar]

I believe F&B is not bad if it's your own business. It sux if you are working for somebody.

 

Working in IT maybe the environment is better, but the stress, the hours, the users etc.... Sometimes I wonder whether is it worthwhile, considering our responsibility, and the skills and training required to do what we do, vs the returns.

 

 

[Titanium]

I believe F&B is not bad if it's your own business. It sux if you are working for somebody.

 

Working in IT maybe the environment is better, but the stress, the hours, the users etc.... Sometimes I wonder whether is it worthwhile, considering our responsibility, and the skills and training required to do what we do, vs the returns.

 

 

yes, i understand what u mean, it is like all ur effort is not appreciated at all.

 

To be frank, i m damn sick of IT, but what to do?

 

If to do own business, also dunno what can i do.

[Damian]

Im managing a wellness sanctuary...sort of a slimming centre...people that wan to move out of IT....good news for u all, my company is expanding so needed manpower...u might wan to give it a shot...

 

Lucky, i made the decison earlier...else, i guess i will still be stuck in the s--t hole...especially, in this bad time...alot of pple wan to leave but cannot find backup...

[Silver_z]

I have done courses in Advantus, and the learning experience is not bad. But mine was MCAD. IF you interested, I can intro you to my course consultant. Can compare first b4 sign up. And dun forget can claim govt subsidy. My consultant did all that for me.

[Ixat]

Arowana1 & drive_carcar bros, which area of IT were you guys involved during your times in IT. You guys lost the drive to keep up with technology or simple impossible to keep up?

[Lab4games]

Arowana1 & drive_carcar bros, which area of IT were you guys involved during your times in IT. You guys lost the drive to keep up with technology or simple impossible to keep up?

 

it's simply impossible to keep up with everything.

 

[Ixat]

it's simply impossible to keep up with everything.

 

Yeah bro, definitely impossible to keep up with everything. I guess best effort would be to keep up with area of focus? Or is that really impossible to down the road?

 

I'm only 2yrs into IT and my AoF is unix and web services/hostings. Already very broad and I'm trying to narrow down further.

[Drive_carcar]

Arowana1 & drive_carcar bros, which area of IT were you guys involved during your times in IT. You guys lost the drive to keep up with technology or simple impossible to keep up?

 

I'm still doing IT now specialising in disaster recovery, data protection, and although I'm doing fine now, with the bad economic climate, I just can't help feeling a bit threatened.

 

It's not so much cannot keep up, just don't have the time and energy. Everytime I go on course or on leave, I get called up by my clients with all sorts of issues.

 

In my years in this line, I have braved the Asian Financial Crisis, the SARS, and now the global slowdown. Everytime there's some issues with the economy, always feel that the first to be hit would be IT. Simply because of too much cheap FT around.

 

As I'm not getting any younger, I guess I have just about enough of the industry. I'm looking for something else to do.

[Rickster]

My take is stay away from MCSE. It's a waste of money because there are literally millions of MCSE out there. Having an MCSE qualification maybe can get you a desktop engineer position, or a wintel engineer position if you are lucky. The pay is not fantastic, but comes with tonnes of sh&t. Further MCSE is not that easy to earn, as you have to invest lots of good money, and pass to 5 - 6 exams before earning the qualifications. So the time, effort and money put into it vs the returns is really terrible.

 

If at all possible, you might like to stay away from IT industry. I've been in IT industry for over 10 years, take my word for it. Other industry like service / tourism / F&B would be much better choice.

 

I agree with you. I also used to be in the IT sector and it seems MCSE is quite useless, as we can never compete with the Indians & chinese & philipinos when it comes to such cert.

 

IT industry is quite jialat and not much room for growth ($ wise).

 

Its better for the TS to go for SAP certification or get a business degree and do other things.

 

[Rickster]

Yeah bro, definitely impossible to keep up with everything. I guess best effort would be to keep up with area of focus? Or is that really impossible to down the road?

 

I'm only 2yrs into IT and my AoF is unix and web services/hostings. Already very broad and I'm trying to narrow down further.

 

Bro, bail out of what you are doing right now. U'll regret it a few yrs down the road.

 

Trust me, how much do u think a company is willing to pay u to do all these when they can pay 1.8K to an FT who can work 12 hrs shift per day.

 

Basically, its quite common sense. If you are in a job position that has many FTs (from 3rd world countries) doing it also -> its probably a dead-end job.

 

Most of my classmates & coursemates during my time doing dip & degree who are still in the IT line after several years, still earning only 2-3Kmonthly. With long hours of work.

[Rickster]

I'm still doing IT now specialising in disaster recovery, data protection, and although I'm doing fine now, with the bad economic climate, I just can't help feeling a bit threatened.

 

It's not so much cannot keep up, just don't have the time and energy. Everytime I go on course or on leave, I get called up by my clients with all sorts of issues.

 

In my years in this line, I have braved the Asian Financial Crisis, the SARS, and now the global slowdown. Everytime there's some issues with the economy, always feel that the first to be hit would be IT. Simply because of too much cheap FT around.

 

As I'm not getting any younger, I guess I have just about enough of the industry. I'm looking for something else to do.

 

I believe you are doing quite well becos u r on the consultancy/managerial level.

 

Being in the technical area of IT is really a dead-end job.

[Lab4games]

Yeah bro, definitely impossible to keep up with everything. I guess best effort would be to keep up with area of focus? Or is that really impossible to down the road?

 

I'm only 2yrs into IT and my AoF is unix and web services/hostings. Already very broad and I'm trying to narrow down further.

 

if u only focus unix and web hostings there's nothing much to upgrade. upgrade to newer linux kernel? run new apache? run new versions of softwares?

read read and practice is enough.

 

if you are into software developments it's forever changing.

yr after yr u see new things. new languages, new IDE, web 3.0 perhaps? every yr u get fresh grad with the latest skills when u r still using ur X-yrs ago skills.

 

they can learn 5 new things in 1yr, but u can only learn 1 new thing. how to compete?

30yrs old and its time to replace u with a fresh grad.

[Rickster]

if u only focus unix and web hostings there's nothing much to upgrade. upgrade to newer linux kernel? run new apache? run new versions of softwares?

read read and practice is enough.

 

if you are into software developments it's forever changing.

yr after yr u see new things. new languages, new IDE, web 3.0 perhaps? every yr u get fresh grad with the latest skills when u r still using ur X-yrs ago skills.

 

they can learn 5 new things in 1yr, but u can only learn 1 new thing. how to compete?

30yrs old and its time to replace u with a fresh grad.

 

Very true indeed. Not just fresh grad, FTs from 3rd world countries are the real threat as well as main moderating factor when it comes to pay.

 

I always tell myself the below statement:

 

"If I'm in a job position that has many FTs (from 3rd world countries) doing it also -> its time to move on."

Edited February 6, 2009 by Rickster

[Mivec9]

IT is no longer like before, now is work work work but get paid onli once a month.

MCSE is rubbish. go for CCNA instead ROI is higher as dump is not as easily available, and there is simulations in the exam unlike MCSE the simulations is junk.

 

Seriously, I do agree with you. Getting CCNA and ITIL are better. There are just too many mcse and indeed the exams are not easy (and not cheap!). Course for it is so tight in schedule. I know of engineers who have mcse and know nothing about their work cos they only know the so call theories. One of friends who has mcse was almost on retrench list since he was temp/contract but luckily found new job before axe.

 

 

 

[Stdfrank]

actually i think having one is better than not having, if your company can pay for it, why not go for it. If company not paying, but if you have interest, study by yourself, and go for exam. You must have interests/passion, setup all the machines (nowadays you can use vmware easier) at home and get handon, you must have really have interests in what you doing, otherwise quite hard...

[Tzeench]

Bro Drive_carcar, we share the same mid-life crisis.

 

I'm still doing IT now specialising in disaster recovery, data protection, and although I'm doing fine now, with the bad economic climate, I just can't help feeling a bit threatened.

 

It's not so much cannot keep up, just don't have the time and energy. Everytime I go on course or on leave, I get called up by my clients with all sorts of issues.

 

In my years in this line, I have braved the Asian Financial Crisis, the SARS, and now the global slowdown. Everytime there's some issues with the economy, always feel that the first to be hit would be IT. Simply because of too much cheap FT around.

 

As I'm not getting any younger, I guess I have just about enough of the industry. I'm looking for something else to do.

 

[Bystander50]

Very true indeed. Not just fresh grad, FTs from 3rd world countries are the real threat as well as main moderating factor when it comes to pay.

 

I always tell myself the below statement:

 

"If I'm in a job position that has many FTs (from 3rd world countries) doing it also -> its time to move on."

 

Sad to say, other than gov jobs, what other jobs do not have FTs doing it? FTs are everywhere now and have already invaded all industrial sectors.

 

[Rickster]

Sad to say, other than gov jobs, what other jobs do not have FTs doing it? FTs are everywhere now and have already invaded all industrial sectors.

 

No doubt about that.

 

Sometimes it might not be possible for some folks to get out of a job whereby its infiltrated with indian/chinese/pinoys FT (esp in the more technical roles.)

 

However, as long as I can, I'll always steer clear of jobs that will put me in a position to compete with them directly.