AUDI OR BMW

[Jamesc]

Merc (build quality) then BM (handling) then Audi (understated elegance).

Edited November 1, 2009 by Jamesc

[Sony]

erm, if we are buying cars that based on whether they took part and won those car competitions, then why Citro

[Comnao]

here we go again ...

 

i never own audi before so i cant comment.

but my 13yr old bmw is slightly more problematic , but i havent reach the stage when i need a tow truck.

 

parts are more expensive than mercs, for sure.

 

drive wise, it is a RWD so i have more fun throwing it around the corner.

too bad my 5er is a preFL 2L so there is not much fun to speak of.

 

recently a bit backside itchy, when to chk out Audi a4 / bmw 320 and W212 E200

 

overall, if i am going to pay around $150k, i will put my $ on a audi

although it has lesser brand presence, FWD ... but the interior texture is good and not tacky.

320 feels cheeep skate inside.

almost like the more you pay, the less you get.

 

drive wise, the hairblower in audi gives it a peppy drive and not so sluggish like the 320 (which is decent but not fantastic)

 

i am closing in on a 07 Vv S80 ... feels not bad at all, compared to my initial impression.

 

[Throttle2]

here we go again ...

 

 

drive wise, it is a RWD so i have more fun throwing it around the corner.

too bad my 5er is a preFL 2L so there is not much fun to speak of.

 

recently a bit backside itchy, when to chk out Audi a4 / bmw 320 and W212 E200

 

overall, if i am going to pay around $150k, i will put my $ on a audi

although it has lesser brand presence, FWD ... but the interior texture is good and not tacky.

320 feels cheeep skate inside.

almost like the more you pay, the less you get.

 

drive wise, the hairblower in audi gives it a peppy drive and not so sluggish like the 320 (which is decent but not fantastic)

 

i am closing in on a 07 Vv S80 ... feels not bad at all, compared to my initial impression.

 

my exact sentiments

[Ladykillerz]

Speaking for the common range..

Comparing on the looks, the price, the drive, etc.

 

Below are my choices..~

 

3series vs. C class vs. A4 = I choose A4.

5series vs. E class vs. A6 = I choose 5series.

7series vs. S class vs. A8 = I choose 7series.

[Kuwahara]

Due to the fierce competition in europe and also the present market trend. Just to have some consensus from this forum please advise.

 

 

Depends on what you want out of your ride.

• Handling vs Straight line speed
• NA (except for 335 and new 7) vs FI (turbo)
• RWD vs FWD or AWD
• Driving vs A-B machine
• etc.

 

Check out my signature to see my rides.... as you can see, I swear by RWD now.

Edited November 1, 2009 by Kuwahara

[Kuwahara]

Even with a Audi quattro, an RWD BMW will still out-handle it better, on normal roads.

 

Watch this:

 

 

In any case, I personally don't like forced induction engines. So my vote would go to the BMW. (and yes, I am fully aware that the 335i and like BMWs are now FI also, thank you).

 

The are other things of BMW which I also perceive as 'better':

 

- hydraulic power steering (except for the 1-er), while Audi utilises VAG's electro-mechanical p/s ... which has this numb in the centre feel, as well as overall feeling lighter and more-detached.

 

- IL-6 engine is more inherently stable. V6 needs counter-rotating balancer shaft(s), making the engine block overall, much heavier.

 

Audi does have NA V6 engines too, but these are usually nose-heavy and does not help in Audi's F/F FWD setup, re handling and balance

 

I believe all new engines from BMW will be FI (check out the new 7) including their new (yet-to-be-launched) IL-4. Due to emission requirements, manufacturers have to go FI route liao.

 

Thought I read somewhere that the E92 has electrically powered steering?

 

 

 

 

[Xtrocious]

Mercede i was told also very unreliable worse than korean make car. is between china and malaysia standard.

 

Sure or not?

 

Those people who told you probably never owned a Merc or afford one...

 

Merc's reliability is quite legendary - some of them are 30 years or more and still running today...

 

My late grand uncle had a 32 year old Merc - solid as a tank

[Adrianlim13]

[:p]Enuf said.. look here

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qNJxyOfsIA...player_embedded

[inlinesix]

Appreciate your feedback on how many parts have been replaced. Tks.

Well, not too many. Alternator, expansion tank, cooling hose, top cover gasket, fuel pump, shocks & 4 tyres. On the 6th yrs, i spent close to 10k. On the 7th yr, i spent less than 1k to keep it in good condition. My car has 3 more yrs to go.

[Pckwpckw]

Sure or not?

 

Those people who told you probably never owned a Merc or afford one...

 

Merc's reliability is quite legendary - some of them are 30 years or more and still running today...

 

My late grand uncle had a 32 year old Merc - solid as a tank

That was before year 2000, my dad is a merc fan, he own merc for more than 30 years also, but recent model is not lasting a lot of transmission issue and compressor issue, suspenion not lasting , problem start even around 50000 km around 2-3 years of driving, if you don't mind the problem. In united states mercede have overtake by lexus seen year 2000 and have never recover. Because they have enage a CEO that cut cost by cutting quality very stupid move and one to sell the car as high end. High end means high quality, thats why only the Japanese can make it.

[Kamenrider]

AUDI for me please.

 

But make sure it is a TURBO model.

 

 

[Viceroymenthol]

That was before year 2000, my dad is a merc fan, he own merc for more than 30 years also, but recent model is not lasting a lot of transmission issue and compressor issue, suspenion not lasting , problem start even around 50000 km around 2-3 years of driving, if you don't mind the problem. In united states mercede have overtake by lexus seen year 2000 and have never recover. Because they have enage a CEO that cut cost by cutting quality very stupid move and one to sell the car as high end. High end means high quality, thats why only the Japanese can make it.

 

wow not only are you "sway" with BMW, your dad is "sway" with mercedes as well. hahahahhaa

 

my advice is: buy a lexus and forget about this whole discussion. you will sleep better at night and it is good for your psychological well-being.

 

ps:- my 6 yrs old made in germany W209 naturally aspirated V6 has no problems in all of its 80,000 km hard driving hard revving life. I do not slow down at speed bumps and rough roads, i whack it hard every time i enter the expressway, i try to push it to its limits at curves... wow sounds like i should be driving a BMW huh! The only things i changed were wear and tear items like brake pads and discs and engine mount. the interior and exterior is unblemished and looks like the day it was born. i posted some pics somewhere in this forum.

 

pps:- don't take JD Power ratings etc. for the universal truth. Those are applicable only to the USA. BMW and Mercs in the USA are made locally in USA, except AMG and M power. W203 C180 and C200 sedan sold in singapore was made in South Africa. The others were made in germany. The same goes for BMW and 3 series sedan. so you must use your discretion.

 

ppps:- base level Audi vs BMW? hard to decide. i am a generalist at heart with very few prejudices. i am also adaptable and not picky at all. i can live with a rough ride, noisy engine, and other niggles that people like you may find irritating. i rev the s--t out of any car anyway so 318i is ok by me. i'd say BMW edges it for me, and the front wheel driven Audi for my wife

Edited November 2, 2009 by Viceroymenthol

[Astrid]

Due to the fierce competition in europe and also the present market trend. Just to have some consensus from this forum please advise.

 

We have both a BMW (mine) and an Audi (wife) currently. But we do swap cars from time to time.

 

For handling - BMW. This one everybody knows. No need to say much about RWD and F/R balance.

 

For communicative steering - BMW. Audi steering feels detached and light.

 

For interior - Audi (but plastics still do scratch easily after some time).

 

For ride comfort - BMW (ours are not on run-flats). Audi will tend to trundle more on certain types of rough roads. OEM tyres are of lower profile 50-55, vs BMW's 60-65 - thus difference is obvious.

 

For engine smoothness / linearity - BMW (qualifier: our BMW is IL6, vs our Audi's IL4 - so no compare lah)

 

For overall solidity - its a tie between BMW and Audi

 

But more importantly, workshop servicing:

 

BMW scores here, with PML's new, larger and modern Performance Centre workshop at Alexandra. PML also have 2 more workshops at Dunearn Road and Kg. Arang.

 

Audi's has only one (1) workshop at Ubi and it is rather congested, in too small a confine and is currently stretched to handle the number of cars being supported/sold.

 

Overall: Our vote will be BMW.

Edited November 2, 2009 by Astrid

[D_bergkam]

Audi for me.

 

With their improving looks, it looks set to be a winner.

[Xtrocious]

Always like BMW - my family owned 4 over the past decade...hahah

 

We did have an Audi in between but not that fantastic (S40)...

 

Still, don't mind trying the new A4 (B8) or even A5 but got turned off by the PA SE (simply boh chup)...

 

Ended up with a W204 instead :)

 

[Pckwpckw]

wow not only are you "sway" with BMW, your dad is "sway" with mercedes as well. hahahahhaa

 

my advice is: buy a lexus and forget about this whole discussion. you will sleep better at night and it is good for your psychological well-being.

 

ps:- my 6 yrs old made in germany W209 naturally aspirated V6 has no problems in all of its 80,000 km hard driving hard revving life. I do not slow down at speed bumps and rough roads, i whack it hard every time i enter the expressway, i try to push it to its limits at curves... wow sounds like i should be driving a BMW huh! The only things i changed were wear and tear items like brake pads and discs and engine mount. the interior and exterior is unblemished and looks like the day it was born. i posted some pics somewhere in this forum.

 

pps:- don't take JD Power ratings etc. for the universal truth. Those are applicable only to the USA. BMW and Mercs in the USA are made locally in USA, except AMG and M power. W203 C180 and C200 sedan sold in singapore was made in South Africa. The others were made in germany. The same goes for BMW and 3 series sedan. so you must use your discretion.

 

ppps:- base level Audi vs BMW? hard to decide. i am a generalist at heart with very few prejudices. i am also adaptable and not picky at all. i can live with a rough ride, noisy engine, and other niggles that people like you may find irritating. i rev the s--t out of any car anyway so 318i is ok by me. i'd say BMW edges it for me, and the front wheel driven Audi for my wife

Thanks for your advise, thats why i still have the 523 but after the warranty period i am very worried , as u know it have give me so much headache since day one, and my 320 also have a lot of problem

[Viceroymenthol]

Always like BMW - my family owned 4 over the past decade...hahah

 

We did have an Audi in between but not that fantastic (S40)...

 

Still, don't mind trying the new A4 (B8) or even A5 but got turned off by the PA SE (simply boh chup)...

 

Ended up with a W204 instead :)

 

 

the B8 A4 is an excellent car for the price tag. even the base 1.8T. those people who complain about "light" steering should switch it into dynamic mode and drive it hard thru corners and curves. the steering tightens up and, for an electronic steering setup, is pretty responsive and direct. it handles pretty well for a FWD as well.

 

same for the W204 C180. at first when going slow it was light. then i drove it hard at south buona vista through the turns and the steering tightened up pretty well. accurate and responsive too. excellent car, an all rounder.

Edited November 2, 2009 by Viceroymenthol