Anyone using SPY 2-way alarm with remote start?

[Beehive3783]

I just installed mine last week. The remote start doesn't work to my expectations.

 

The problem: the cranking is too long and continues for about half a second after the engine is started. Not good for starter motor.

 

My question: Is it an installation issue, or is this an inherent problem of SPY alarms?

 

Something to note: I brought this up to the installer, and he said SPY alarms are like that. Somehow I don't quite believe him. A 5 pole relay was included in the package but the installer did not utilise it, instead he told me a 4 pole relay was used, citing incompatibility with my car (Avante).

 

Anyone using the SPY alarm here as well? Please help to feedback. Thanks

Edited December 1, 2009 by Beehive3783

[Godfinger]

I am not using Spy Alarm at this moment but am using a

China Made 2-way Alarm selling by some Bros here.

My alarm cranking is about 2sec and if the engine fail

to start, it will crank again for 2sec.

Generally, cranking should be short so it does not drained

the battery and damaged the starter motor.

 

With regards to the 5-pole relay supplied, mine was also

using the 4-pole type thus I believe the cranking time is

a inherent program by the Mfg which cant be altered and

does not linked to connection or installation.

 

If a wrong/incorrect connection is made, then

the starter cant even crank at all.

 

Hope this helps.

[Beehive3783]

Thanks for the advice.

 

I did check out the installation manual afterwards and did a little research on my own.

 

The better aftermarket alarms, e.g Crimestopper, etc have a tach sensing mode, which stops the cranking once the engine is started. Whereas for SPY, there is no tach sensing wire. Which leads me to wonder whether the crank duration is preset in the main alarm control unit. If it is, then it's not good at all.

 

After work, I will be visiting a friend who installed a SPY alarm as well, but with a different installer. If his cranks nicely, then I guess should be an installation problem. But I still need more feedback from SPY users here so that I can collate all the data and push it back to the installer to digest.

Edited December 1, 2009 by Beehive3783

[Chuppychup]

SPY does not have starter kill function , therefore it will over crank when u remote start , this is normal

[Kwchan]

I just installed mine last week. The remote start doesn't work to my expectations.

 

The problem: the cranking is too long and continues for about half a second after the engine is started. Not good for starter motor.

 

My question: Is it an installation issue, or is this an inherent problem of SPY alarms?

 

Something to note: I brought this up to the installer, and he said SPY alarms are like that. Somehow I don't quite believe him. A 5 pole relay was included in the package but the installer did not utilise it, instead he told me a 4 pole relay was used, citing incompatibility with my car (Avante).

 

Anyone using the SPY alarm here as well? Please help to feedback. Thanks

 

same problem here, i am thinking of building a circuit to "shorten" the crank time. Currently I am afraid of using remote start because of this.

 

In less than half a year, the display on my remote is gone, and shortly after that, the remote failed to work altogether. Called the distributor but too bad WARRANTY DOES NOT COVER REMOTE!

 

got to paid $60 for a new remote which i refused, currently i am using the spare remote and hopefully this will not fail else I won't be able to start the engine without unarming the alarm.

 

a good alarm should not allow remote start if hand brake is not on, but seems that this SPY alarm doesn't supoort this. so always remember to shift to neutral or else your vehicle will move when you are trying to remote start with gear engaged.

 

[Godfinger]

U sure that Spy does not have the Handbrake sensing signal?

Mine CarXXp brand comes with this signal wire but I grounded to the earth

as my car is an auto. They call it Gear Reservation mode and its

a must to connect it to the Handbrake for Manual tansmission car.

 

 

[Godfinger]

I thought RPM sensing wire (Purple col) is a standard and

must connect for all Remote Start system??

Mine was connected to the Oil Pressure so when the engine

is started, pressure builds up and sends signal back

to the alarm box to prevent subsequent further cranking.

And at the meantime, my Remote will display a cloud of

smoke on the LCD car (signify engine start) with 2 long beeps

on the Remote & vibration.

 

I am quite sure every Remote Start system must have a

sensing wire, else the system will keep cranking the engine

every 2-5 secs even after its started. It serves as a signal

for engine started.. Do check again.

Long cranking time and Absence of Engine started sensing wire

is 2 different thing.

 

Long Cranking time - Inherent (System design)

Absence of sensing wire - Installer failed to connect/Wire hidden/other problems

(confirm its part of the remote system wire)

 

 

[Kwchan]

got to paid $60 for a new remote which i refused, currently i am using the spare remote and hopefully this will not fail else I won't be able to start the engine without unarming the alarm.

 

correction, price for remote is $48

[Kwchan]

U sure that Spy does not have the Handbrake sensing signal?

Mine CarXXp brand comes with this signal wire but I grounded to the earth

as my car is an auto. They call it Gear Reservation mode and its

a must to connect it to the Handbrake for Manual tansmission car.

 

either the installer never install properly or it is not working as expected

[Beehive3783]

yes, you are right. i just checked with a friend using SPY alarm as well. same problem as mine, different installer. i think it can be concluded that the problem lies with the alarm.

[Beehive3783]

handbrake sensing signal wire is present. however there is no tach sensing wire. it only has a starter sensing wire. the tach sensing wire is crucial to prevent overcranking. starter sensing wire does not prevent overcranking at all. thus i believe overcranking is the alarm system's inherent problem.

 

i guess it's time to start saving for a better alarm system. since i got it cheap, i guess there's not much reason for me to complain too much.

Edited December 1, 2009 by Beehive3783

[Kwchan]

handbrake sensing signal wire is present.

 

Can u remote start with handbrake OFF? You may want to step on footbrake and ensure gear in netural when doing this test.

[Thinkwaresg]

Good day

 

The F series of spy aka LT series have longer crank time , the newer series C series all have shorter crank time ,and V series have sensing function .So depending on which series you bought will give you different kind of crank time .

As for the remote start reservation meaning handbrake must be on or gear must not be engage for manual cars , is present in all spy alarm system, however as reservation mode is sometimes troublesome for the user, you may wish to specify that you require reservation mode to whoever that is installing on your car. If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to contact us .

 

But please kindly note that for systems not installed by us or our dealers will not be warranted.

For those looking at upgrading can also consider the new easycar series !

Thanks !

 

www.zmc.com.sg

Edited April 25, 2011 by ZMC

[Picanto]

I just installed mine last week. The remote start doesn't work to my expectations.

 

The problem: the cranking is too long and continues for about half a second after the engine is started. Not good for starter motor.

 

My question: Is it an installation issue, or is this an inherent problem of SPY alarms?

 

Something to note: I brought this up to the installer, and he said SPY alarms are like that. Somehow I don't quite believe him. A 5 pole relay was included in the package but the installer did not utilise it, instead he told me a 4 pole relay was used, citing incompatibility with my car (Avante).

 

Anyone using the SPY alarm here as well? Please help to feedback. Thanks

 

 

is the installer ZMC? PM if not convienent to reveal.

[Snowmanteck]

I am thinking to get an alarm system, any bro got any lobang?

[Beehive3783]

is the installer ZMC? PM if not convienent to reveal.

No it's not ZMC. Anyway it's not ZMC's problem also. It's the alarm's lousy design that's all.

[Zanter]

Good day

 

The F series of spy aka LT series have longer crank time , the newer series C series all have shorter crank time ,and V series have sensing function .So depending on which series you bought will give you different kind of crank time .

As for the remote start reservation meaning handbrake must be on or gear must not be engage for manual cars , is present in all spy alarm system, however as reservation mode is sometimes troublesome for the user, you may wish to specify that you require reservation mode to whoever that is installing on your car. If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to contact us .

 

But please kindly note that for systems not installed by us or our dealers will not be warranted.

For those looking at upgrading can also consider the new easycar series !

Thanks !

 

www.zmc.com.sg

 

 

Bro I installed the Spy Alarm/Starter 1+ year back. I dont drive this car often as its my 2nd car. The leftside actuator to open the passenger door has failed. Where & how do I get this repaired? Cost? Thanks!

[Zenixth]

No it's not ZMC. Anyway it's not ZMC's problem also. It's the alarm's lousy design that's all.

 

Bro, after reading your thread, I'm worried that my alternator may fail on me soon as I am also using SPY alarm.

My remote engine start crank is long since day 1, and I have been using the alarm for 3yrs.

 

And I always do remote engine start.