RC remove from Aljunied GRC

[Galantspeedz]

I just recalled a piece of my childhood memory in Hougang

 

The RC used to organize some farm visits or day trips as well as the mooncake festival thingy which my mum used to bring us to.

 

then in 1991 when LTK won the elections, all these activities stopped and even the RC ppl told my mum they are "closing down" because it is now an "opposition ward".

 

I can't rem the exact words but the meaning was something like that.

 

erm.. may be true if the RC pple was serving PAP.... by continuing... it may seem as pap ignore LTK win...

 

so i feel it is best for LTK to find his own people to serve hougang...rather than have accusations flying here and there

 

[Darryn]

Can I know if RCs are built using PA money or TC money?

 

Funds for RC activities are using PA money or TC money?

 

If using PA money, PA money come from where huh? From taxpayers or PA do their own fundraising?

 

From the PA Website...

 

Adviser

4 One or more Advisers to the Committee shall be appointed by the

Chairman or Deputy Chairman, Board of Management

 

Committee being Resident's Committee

 

Edited May 11, 2011 by Darryn

[New_Atlantis]

Can I know if RCs are built using PA money or TC money?

 

Funds for RC activities are using PA money or TC money?

 

If using PA money, PA money come from where huh? From taxpayers or PA do their own fundraising?

 

 

From what i understand,

PA is funded by MCYS. and the chairman is the current PM. (so the party in power gets the seat)

PA and the TC are different orgs.

 

PA are in charge of the CC's and provide links to the various minstries. (LTA, HDB.. ETC)

 

RC have their own funds from fund-raising, and some events are co-funded.

 

I don't work in the PA, so my info my not be correct. please dont quote me !!!!

[Tedlhw]

Will the money in the TC's account be handed over to WP?

Does anyone know how the finances work?

[Darryn]

And from the People's Association act...

 

 

CONSTITUTION OF ASSOCIATION

4 (1) The Association shall consist of -

(a) the Prime Minister as Chairman;

(b) a Minister to be appointed by the Chairman as Deputy

Chairman;

 

So what you can see is that according to the rules of the Resident's Committee they have an advisor who is appointed by the Chairman of the People's Association. There are no "qualifications" listed (that I saw) for this person.

 

The Chairman of the People's Association is the sitting Prime Minister. The sitting Prime Minister must appoint a deputy chairman for the PA who must be a government minister.

 

 

[Darryn]

It's clear to me from the above that the advisor is not neccessarily a political apointee. The advisor can come from any walk of life or political persuasion.

 

If the Chairman wants to appoint a group of people with a particular skill set, or from within a particular industry he is fully within his (or her) rights and the chairman (or deputy chairman) in good conscience will appoint the person they feel is best able to execute the duties of adviser to the RC and help the RC to achieve the goals set out in their charter - which essentially amount to supporting the community and building an environment of supportive belonging amongst the general populace.

[New_Atlantis]

It's clear to me from the above that the advisor is not neccessarily a political apointee. The advisor can come from any walk of life or political persuasion.

 

If the Chairman wants to appoint a group of people with a particular skill set, or from within a particular industry he is fully within his (or her) rights and the chairman (or deputy chairman) in good conscience will appoint the person they feel is best able to execute the duties of adviser to the RC and help the RC to achieve the goals set out in their charter - which essentially amount to supporting the community and building an environment of supportive belonging amongst the general populace.

 

I don't know what they have been giving you, but you probably should stop smoking it.

 

Joining the RC is a good form of communal work , but please don't buy into their a-political BS.

[New_Atlantis]

 

Will the money in the TC's account be handed over to WP?

Does anyone know how the finances work?

 

The pap are not our kings or lords , so yes.. all the cash will be under the control of WP. This does not belong to the PAP.

 

For example. The national reserves are controlled by the party in power.

 

 

[Wson]

The pap are not our kings or lords , so yes.. all the cash will be under the control of WP. This does not belong to the PAP.

 

For example. The national reserves are controlled by the party in power.

 

The S&CC fees is it determine by the individual TC? So WP can choose to lower or raise it?

[Darryn]

I don't know what they have been giving you, but you probably should stop smoking it.

 

Joining the RC is a good form of communal work , but please don't buy into their a-political BS.

 

Eh...I don't smoke...an I don't eat magic 'shrooms either....

 

I am quoting from the PA website, articles of membership and the PA act.

 

There is nothing in the act that says "MP should / must be advisor"

 

The appointment of advisor is at the discretion of the leader of the PA - which is also nothing to with Political Affiliation, but rather follows the leadership of parliament / this country.

 

The chairman of the PA can appoint on whatever basis he wants - and there is no requirement that he must disclose his selection process.

 

This is a very strait laced and factual post.

 

If you want to read a political motivation into the appointments that the head of the PA makes, then this is your decision, however he does not have to defend himself, nor is there any requirement that a specific person should be an RC advisor, no matter how well qualified other people may think he is.

[Labixiaoxin]

RC is the bridge link between MPs and reisdents. For LTK, he believed in direct contacts with the residents than through 3rd parties. So I don't think LTK needs RC at all.

 

 

[Darryn]

RC is the bridge link between MPs and reisdents. For LTK, he believed in direct contacts with the residents than through 3rd parties. So I don't think LTK needs RC at all.

 

Quoting directly from the PA on the purpose of the RC...

 

Functions of the Committee

3 The functions of the Committee are :

(a) to promote neighbourliness, harmony and cohesiveness among the

residents of the Designated Zone;

(b) to liaise with and make recommendations to governmental

authorities (i.e govt agencies?) on the needs and aspirations of residents of the

Designated Zone;

© to disseminate information and channel feedback on government

policies and actions from residents of the Designated Zone; and

2

(d) to promote good citizenship among residents of the Designated

Zone.

 

* My comments in red.

 

One of the events I went to last year was a tour of the Paya Lebar Air Base so that I could better understand the operational constraints and feedback to residents that were disturbed by the noise. This is what I see as a part of the part ©. I also attended (and led a table) for a town hall meeting to give feedback to our advisor on community issues relevant to us, and possible solutions. This I see as a part of (a)

 

No where in the functions of the (residents) committee do I see anything relating to acting as a bridge, conduit or channel between an MP and the residents. (separating an MP from government)

[Nlstch]

In case you not familiar, all RCs and CCs will report to advisers from PAP in opposition wards. So all those PAP candidates in GE2011 will automatically become advisers in their respective wards. All official functions will be graced by them.

 

This is totally wrong. CC and RC report to PA, which is an org under gov. All PA and CC staff are civil servant, holding civil service card. They are NOT PAP member!!!!!! The loser in the GE should not be adviser to CC and RC anymore.

 

This GE have throw up a lot of process and procedure that clearly show that all civil servant is not equal to PAP, they should not stand in election to be MP. Sim Ann nearly got disqualified due to the employment status and it show that political party and gov are not the same!!!

 

WP should throw up this issue to question PA and PAP so as to make their work in the next 5 years easier. They should take over the role of the adviser and dismiss the current CCMC and reform another one in all the 5 ward that they win. This will cut off all the interference from PAP and made it easy for them to organise event for the people. It will also be easier for the CC to invite their MP (WP MP) to any event organise by the CC and not the GE loser.

 

[Darryn]

This is totally wrong. CC and RC report to PA, which is an org under gov. All PA and CC staff are civil servant, holding civil service card. They are NOT PAP member!!!!!! The loser in the GE should not be adviser to CC and RC anymore.

 

This GE have throw up a lot of process and procedure that clearly show that all civil servant is not equal to PAP, they should not stand in election to be MP. Sim Ann nearly got disqualified due to the employment status and it show that political party and gov are not the same!!!

 

WP should throw up this issue to question PA and PAP so as to make their work in the next 5 years easier. They should take over the role of the adviser and dismiss the current CCMC and reform another one in all the 5 ward that they win. This will cut off all the interference from PAP and made it easy for them to organise event for the people. It will also be easier for the CC to invite their MP (WP MP) to any event organise by the CC and not the GE loser.

 

Please go and look at the relevant act and the articles of membership, goals and rules very very carefully.

 

Just in case you missed my last post.

1. The advisor role is an appointed role with the decision being made by the chair / deputy chair of the PA.

2. There is no qualification needed for being an advisor. There is no need for the advisor to be an MP, or not be an MP - the appointment is solely at the discretion of the Chair / Vicce Chair.

3. In their knowledge of the roles required, understanding of the challenges of the role, wisdom, knowledge of the upcoming challenges the RCs will face and in their demonstrated good judgement the Chair / Vice Chair feel that any particular person, be they sitting MP, MP from minority party, "losing" candidate in the previous GE or any other role from within or without the civil service, a political party or private industry then the Chair / deputy chair has every right to make that decision and we should trust his / her wisdom to the make a balanced, well reasoned and fair choice.

[Nlstch]

Please go and look at the relevant act and the articles of membership, goals and rules very very carefully.

 

Just in case you missed my last post.

1. The advisor role is an appointed role with the decision being made by the chair / deputy chair of the PA.

2. There is no qualification needed for being an advisor. There is no need for the advisor to be an MP, or not be an MP - the appointment is solely at the discretion of the Chair / Vicce Chair.

3. In their knowledge of the roles required, understanding of the challenges of the role, wisdom, knowledge of the upcoming challenges the RCs will face and in their demonstrated good judgement the Chair / Vice Chair feel that any particular person, be they sitting MP, MP from minority party, "losing" candidate in the previous GE or any other role from within or without the civil service, a political party or private industry then the Chair / deputy chair has every right to make that decision and we should trust his / her wisdom to the make a balanced, well reasoned and fair choice.

 

The rules was written 40+ years ago and that time PAP are the dominant of the whole Singapore. Times have changed and so does this rules. Imagine when the CC staff need to ask some VIP to launch the event and the invited guest is only the adviser??? The elected MP, who is the suppose to be more popular person since he was elected during the GE, was not invited? What logic is that? What if the majority of the resident attended the event was WP supporter and boo at the adviser and the whole incident was video? People will laugh and make PAP embarrassed.

[Wson]

The rules was written 40+ years ago and that time PAP are the dominant of the whole Singapore. Times have changed and so does this rules. Imagine when the CC staff need to ask some VIP to launch the event and the invited guest is only the adviser??? The elected MP, who is the suppose to be more popular person since he was elected during the GE, was not invited? What logic is that? What if the majority of the resident attended the event was WP supporter and boo at the adviser and the whole incident was video? People will laugh and make PAP embarrassed.

 

Then they will ask the PM/SM/MM/Ministar or president, but not the Opp MP, hahahahaha

[Joseph22]

The rules was written 40+ years ago and that time PAP are the dominant of the whole Singapore. Times have changed and so does this rules. Imagine when the CC staff need to ask some VIP to launch the event and the invited guest is only the adviser??? The elected MP, who is the suppose to be more popular person since he was elected during the GE, was not invited? What logic is that? What if the majority of the resident attended the event was WP supporter and boo at the adviser and the whole incident was video? People will laugh and make PAP embarrassed.

i believe Darryn just posting information and not saying he is in agreement.

dont have to get so work up.

[Darryn]

The rules was written 40+ years ago and that time PAP are the dominant of the whole Singapore. Times have changed and so does this rules. Imagine when the CC staff need to ask some VIP to launch the event and the invited guest is only the adviser??? The elected MP, who is the suppose to be more popular person since he was elected during the GE, was not invited? What logic is that? What if the majority of the resident attended the event was WP supporter and boo at the adviser and the whole incident was video? People will laugh and make PAP embarrassed.

 

I am not passing judgement on what the rules should be. Nor how the law might have been written, nor how it is implemented.

 

I am repeating the law as it is, and also just stating that I have full confidence in the capabilities of the Chairman of the PA to make a well informed and judicious decision.

 

In reality I am not exactly sure how it came to be that the advisor was default choice to be the VIP. To me an advisor should, you know, advise. On the other hand something such as Patron is a very different role.

 

What I think would be awesome would be if the RC had free range to decide who is the GOH. So when opening a sports centre for example they may wish to invite someone like Tao Lee, when opening a tuition centre, they may wish to invite the previous years top scorer in A levels to give a speech.

 

So far in my role with the RC I haven't yet been involved in any discussions on who should we invite as the GOH for a particular event.