Cyclist Problem

[Elfenstar]

I think you need to find another thread to troll. Nobody regardless of what we're saying knows what drugs you're on.

 

[Elfenstar]

Having seen so many comments, wonder if somebody is looking into the public concern seriously.

 

Both cyclists and drivers need to behave on the road, I guess. I used to cycle on the road, but I make sure I'm not obstructing the vehicle users, or posing any clear danger to them. Now that I also drive, I make sure I give way to the cyclists provided they also do their part, otherwise the finger will just by default mode press the honk button.

 

But I'm always curious if the driver will always get the bigger blame in such accident with the cyclist, and who should pay the damages to the driver's vehicle if the fault lies with the cyclist? Maybe somebody can provide some guidelines? I mean, the cyclist does not buy vehicle insurance, but if he/she causes an accident and damages the other party's vehicle on top on his/her own bicycle and getting him/herself hurt big time, how can the driver recover his losses?

 

Maybe that's the reason why road users need to buy auto insurance before they can use the road.

 

hmm........

 

If anything bad happens, TP will automatically give special treatment to a cyclist over all other road users with the exception of pedestrians. The latter gets the most special treatment.

 

Compensation wise, it's mandatory to get the other party's details. Let your insurance handle getting the money back from the cyclist.

 

P.S. TP views the required duty of care towards others from least to most in this order- Foot, Cycle, Ride, Drive (cars and LGV), & Drive (Buses & HGV)

Edited July 24, 2012 by Elfenstar

[Elfenstar]

A friend of mine was telling me over the weekend that on his current car the average speed of it has been 23km/h since it left the showroom. He bought it 1 year old and has had it for 3 and overall km on the odometer is 26,000, but that is very low speed. The funny thing is that it is an Aston Martin!

 

It's about right. Mine was 26kmh before servicing

[Tom_kkh]

The law is for cyclists to be on the roads and follow the regular traffic lights. I follow it to a T with one exception. As much as possible, when needing to turn right, I make hook turns instead of right turns.

 

Unfortunately, hook turns are illegal even though they're safer for me, and inconvenience other road users less.

 

 

if everyone thinks like u, it will be so much safer and enjoyable for cyclist and drivers.

[Elfenstar]

if everyone thinks like u, it will be so much safer and enjoyable for cyclist and drivers.

 

A lot do, just that we're not very memorable Fact of life that people usually remember the bad rather than the good.

 

As for hook turns, I doubt many know of what it even is. Not many places allow for it (IIRC only San Frans and Melb). It can be annoying for cars having to do it as its one lane for people turning both left and right, not to mention the number of cars turning right is limited by how wide the perpendicular road is. However in mixed vehicle scenario's like this and when the road permits, hook turn's are awesome.

[Nzy]

I get your points, but to you see mine?

 

Do you see any other vehicles moving so slowly and have blatant disregard for traffic rules (I know you follow rules but many many cyclist dun)? Cyclist cause unique problems to drives as well as do children in the middle of PCN.

 

Btw. I have seen leisure cyclist stopping at the roads to check their chains and yes, they apparently cant move into the pavement even after they dismounted.

 

So you expect all cyclists to get off the roads just because you encounter some that don't? Even for drivers there are many who don't follow the laws. They speed, hog, tailgate, change lanes recklessly or jam their brakes for no reasons and you don't ask all drivers to get off the road?

[Nzy]

i think the cyclist if riding on the road should always remember that no matter how professionally they dressed and even if it cost them 30k for the bicycle and the outfit, they are still human powered.

 

so stay at the left most lanes and not pretending to be a super duper cyclist taking up 1 car length on lane 1 at the traffic lights.

 

TP should come out with laws to ensure that they either follow the car traffic lights or pedestrian lights as the cyclist seems to have best of both world and endangered not only their life but also car owners' insurance claims...

 

The laws already state that cyclists have to follow the traffic laws. Its just that many don't follow. Some have no confidence to filter out to the right most lane to do a right turn. So they use the pedestrian crossing instead. But if they use the pedestrian crossing, have to dismount from the bicycle. For me I'd rather just filter to the right turn lane.

[Nzy]

if everyone thinks like u, it will be so much safer and enjoyable for cyclist and drivers.

 

IMO most cyclists think like this. Just happens that people usually remember the bad stuff better than the good ones. Most groups I have cycled with will not invite another rider to ride again if they ride dangerously and don't follow the traffic laws.

[Royho1979]

There are also many thousands more bikes than there are vehicles. Yet are there thousands of cyclist injured every year? That surely is a cold hard stat too that is clear to see.

 

This is new. There are more cyclist on the road in Singapore than there are vehicles? Surely you jest.

 

[Taipan49]

This is new. There are more cyclist on the road in Singapore than there are vehicles? Surely you jest.

 

In a worldwide case, it is true: http://www.worldometers.info/bicycles/

 

In our household we have 4 bikes. Go to our condo basement and there are nearly as many bikes as cars, and then there are the bikes kept in the condos themselves to add.

 

Don't know Singapore numbers (I need to google), but guessing more bikes would be sold each year than cars.

[Royho1979]

Prove it. My stats can be proven with actual data. Can yours or are you assuming?

 

Wasn't my point obvious? Look at the number or accidents. The total km travelled by cyclist on the road in one year is easily 1/1000 that of the total km travelled by vehicles on the roads. Proven!.

 

So where's your?

[Taipan49]

In a worldwide case, it is true: http://www.worldometers.info/bicycles/

 

In our household we have 4 bikes. Go to our condo basement and there are nearly as many bikes as cars, and then there are the bikes kept in the condos themselves to add.

 

Don't know Singapore numbers (I need to google), but guessing more bikes would be sold each year than cars.

 

Found it, http://www.spp.nus.edu.sg/docs/fac/paul-ba...June%202008.pdf

 

Page 9. Net imports of bikes in 2007 was 134,977

 

At the end of 2007 the number of cars in total in Singapore had just crossed the 500,000 mark.

[Taipan49]

Wasn't my point obvious? Look at the number or accidents. The total km travelled by cyclist on the road in one year is easily 1/1000 that of the total km travelled by vehicles on the roads. Proven!.

 

So where's your?

 

Source of 1/1000 total km? Average number of km for car in Singapore is ~10,000km. So that means the average cyclist on the road on travels just 10km per year??? I did double that just this morning.

[Royho1979]

In a worldwide case, it is true: http://www.worldometers.info/bicycles/

 

In our household we have 4 bikes. Go to our condo basement and there are nearly as many bikes as cars, and then there are the bikes kept in the condos themselves to add.

 

Don't know Singapore numbers (I need to google), but guessing more bikes would be sold each year than cars.

 

Goodness, you guys have no sense of context.

 

1) We are talking about Singapore

2) There are many bicycle in Singapore doesn't not mean there are many bicycle on the ROADS. In my post I said "ROADS" We are quoting number of accidents for cyclist on the roads. Why would I care if your son rides a elmo bicycle at your void deck?

3) Use you eyes and take a look at any roads in Singapore, do a scan, do you see more vehicles or bicycles? The proportion of vehicles to bicycle at any one point is easily 1:100.

[Dirtbike]

Why do u guys still bother to reply to pple who nip pick on certain details and totally ignore others....Lolz...i already gave up replying...cause its just like talking to a wall...

 

so we cyclists do agree that the roads can be dangerous at times....so we are just asking for tolerance n drivers to accept us that we belong to the road...that will make both our lifes so much better....n most probably lower the % of getting into accidents....

 

But they just cannot see this point n insist that cyclists are dangerous...Lolz...

[Royho1979]

Source of 1/1000 total km? Average number of km for car in Singapore is ~10,000km. So that means the average cyclist on the road on travels just 10km per year??? I did double that just this morning.

 

The 1/1000 is a rough estimate. I'll lower it to 1/500 or 1/200, but would it matter to the point I am making?

 

I'll use your average number 10000km as a reference. Given that there are at least 100 times more cars than bicycle ON THE ROAD at any time (do a visual scan how many cars you see on the roads vs bicycle) the mileage diff between, the average cyclist would have to cycle 10 x 100 = 1000km a year. Do you and all the cyclist on the roads average 1000km a year? Do not that the 100 is a very broad number too... I am certain there are more cars on the road than bicycles by more than 1:100.

[Elfenstar]

Wasn't my point obvious? Look at the number or accidents. The total km travelled by cyclist on the road in one year is easily 1/1000 that of the total km travelled by vehicles on the roads. Proven!.

 

So where's your?

 

Really? How do you know that its 1/1000 of the total km travelled by vehicles on the roads? My figures are all gleaned from Singstat and TP. Where are yours from?

[Royho1979]

So you expect all cyclists to get off the roads just because you encounter some that don't? Even for drivers there are many who don't follow the laws. They speed, hog, tailgate, change lanes recklessly or jam their brakes for no reasons and you don't ask all drivers to get off the road?

 

That is not my point. I am trying to tell you the same issues you have with pedestrian, are the issues drivers have with cyclist period. Those who asks for tolerance and patience are intolerant and impatient.

 

Anyway, enough has been said by me. Since you are one of those cyclist who tries to make sense, I have an advice for you. As you can see, even though most drivers dun like you, yet we continue to give way, rather than spending efforts here to make a case to people who already are giving you the 1.5m ...etc, why dun you sort yourself out and go to cycling forum or watever and get the more of your kind to be responsible users?