Cyclist Problem

[Taipan49]

very surprise to know that cyclist can be on the 2nd or 3rd lane. I think i can only trust or reply to certain people here. . .

 

From the photo you posted, the lights are turning red. The bike is passing the bus to get in front and wait for the green light (my assumption). The bike will be able to accelerate faster than the bus, get across the intersection and then stick to the left and be at a reasonable speed to traffic, and most likely the bus will have stopped at a bus stop before they catch up to him. I do this as it is more safe for both myself and other vehicles. If they stayed behind the bus, the bike has no visibility of what is ahead and can become quite vulnerable, especially if there is a bus stop shortly after the intersection.

[Dwee]

Still dun understand. U mention : " If they stayed behind the bus, the bike has no visibility of what is ahead and can become quite vulnerable. " Than in the first place why should a cyclist ride on the road which is so vulnerable and did not attend any lessons to learn the highway code ? So is purely base on Individual intelligence to gauge what is right or wrong for the cyclist to do on the road ? By endangering yourself and other road users ? And if something happens , starts pointing fingers and blaming motorist for not keeping a proper lookout ?

 

All these can be avoided by just one act. To cycle in the safe place. I.e . the Park .

[Taipan49]

Still dun understand. U mention : " If they stayed behind the bus, the bike has no visibility of what is ahead and can become quite vulnerable. " Than in the first place why should a cyclist ride on the road which is so vulnerable and did not attend any lessons to learn the highway code ? So is purely base on Individual intelligence to gauge what is right or wrong for the cyclist to do on the road ? By endangering yourself and other road users ? And if something happens , starts pointing fingers and blaming motorist for not keeping a proper lookout ?

 

All these can be avoided by just one act. To cycle in the safe place. I.e . the Park .

 

Then help the cycling community asking the government to provide the facilities for us then, at the moment they are truly insufficient.

 

But in answer to your question. If you have the option to be behind the bus or in front at traffic lights, which would you prefer to be when given the choice? In front of course as you have visibility. This is the same if in a car or on a bike, having visibility of where you are going gives more options and allows you to travel in a safer fashion.

[Duckduck]

Then help the cycling community asking the government to provide the facilities for us then, at the moment they are truly insufficient.

 

But in answer to your question. If you have the option to be behind the bus or in front at traffic lights, which would you prefer to be when given the choice? In front of course as you have visibility. This is the same if in a car or on a bike, having visibility of where you are going gives more options and allows you to travel in a safer fashion.

 

but the way that cyclist is hanging between 1st n 2nd lane how can he look front, make sure dont crash into the bus n look back to see his blindspot to check if theres a car there? The safest way for him to ride is to stay behind the bus n wait till the bus moves again right? Unless he has eyes behind his head...

[Taipan49]

but the way that cyclist is hanging between 1st n 2nd lane how can he look front, make sure dont crash into the bus n look back to see his blindspot to check if theres a car there? The safest way for him to ride is to stay behind the bus n wait till the bus moves again right? Unless he has eyes behind his head...

 

Ummm, by turning their head? Same way that you do so in the car to check your blindspots. Cyclist has advantage or not having door pillars, roofs, seats, passengers etc in the way so they can get a clearer picture.

[inlinesix]

Still dun understand. U mention : " If they stayed behind the bus, the bike has no visibility of what is ahead and can become quite vulnerable. " Than in the first place why should a cyclist ride on the road which is so vulnerable and did not attend any lessons to learn the highway code ? So is purely base on Individual intelligence to gauge what is right or wrong for the cyclist to do on the road ? By endangering yourself and other road users ? And if something happens , starts pointing fingers and blaming motorist for not keeping a proper lookout ?

 

All these can be avoided by just one act. To cycle in the safe place. I.e . the Park .

Cyclist is allow to cycle on lane 2 for overtaking.

 

Actually, the road is also dangerous for driver as there are a lot of siao motorcyclist, pedestrian, cyclist & whatever. Should you also start taking MRT instead?

 

Oops, MRT will breakdown. Stay home.

 

Park is also not a safe place to cycle as there are a lot of pedestrian walking/running on cycling path. Juz look at East Coast Park on weekend.

 

Let's share the road.

[Yhm]

If cyclists don't value their life then they have no one to blame but themselves. I won't E brake and skid just bcoz some stupid cyclist decides to beat the red light.

[Taipan49]

If cyclists don't value their life then they have no one to blame but themselves. I won't E brake and skid just bcoz some stupid cyclist decides to beat the red light.

 

Same can be said for pedestrians who don't check left/right when crossing the road.

 

Same can be said for motorists who beat a red light.

 

Will you e-brake in those situations? Because the same argument can be used that they don't value their life.

[Yhm]

I will brake if my own safety is at stake. But if a pedestrian or cyclist wilfully steps/cycles into the path of an incoming vehicle then they only have themselves to blame. They made the choice, accept the fate.

[Taipan49]

I will brake if my own safety is at stake. But if a pedestrian or cyclist wilfully steps/cycles into the path of an incoming vehicle then they only have themselves to blame. They made the choice, accept the fate.

 

Will the courts have the same interpretation?

 

[Yhm]

Yes. Been there done that and no remorse.

[Duckduck]

Will the courts have the same interpretation?

 

regardless court ruling in a 50-50 case, cyclist or pedestrian always loses out in a crash. Driver no injuries, cyclist pedestrian skin abrasion+ broken bones... no need to say which is better choice...

[Yhm]

The court of law does not protect those who beat the lights.

[Taipan49]

The court of law does not protect those who beat the lights.

 

Absolutely agree. But doesn't mean I don't look out for these people who flout the rules when driving. There are too many people pushing the rules as there is a lack of enforcement on the roads. Never see any TP unless they are at the scene of an accident.

 

[Yhm]

You see, the lights were to my favor. I could not swerve, there was a car at my driver's side. Pax side was the kerb. Could not E brake as firstly no time and secondly the car behind would most prob ram into me. So no choice but to send the cyclist to kingdom come. Plus multiple witness, so don't even need court case. Instant ruling by TP was cyclist at fault.

[Taipan49]

You see, the lights were to my favor. I could not swerve, there was a car at my driver's side. Pax side was the kerb. Could not E brake as firstly no time and secondly the car behind would most prob ram into me. So no choice but to send the cyclist to kingdom come. Plus multiple witness, so don't even need court case. Instant ruling by TP was cyclist at fault.

 

Sorry that it happened to you.

[Yhm]

Which is why it is important for cyclists to charge of their own safety. The stopping distance of a bicycle is far shorter than that of a motor vehicle. There is nothing much we drivers can do if cyclists do something stupid.

[Taipan49]

Which is why it is important for cyclists to charge of their own safety. The stopping distance of a bicycle is far shorter than that of a motor vehicle. There is nothing much we drivers can do if cyclists do something stupid.

 

Absolutely. I commute by bike each day and practice defensive riding, but do see a lot of idiots on bikes as well as in cars. Fortunately the majority of my route is on PCN, but there are parts where I do need to be on the road. I just plan my route ahead to ensure that I am safe and don't impede the traffic flow. If that means a longer quieter road route, then so be it.