2015 Forester 2.0

[WML888]

Also, gotta bear in mind that wheel warranties are against manufacturer defects. You anyhow park until kerb rash, chiong over pot hole until bent, buang until chui, even wash until scratched, all not covered. Only if you minding your own business and the wheel suddenly got problem, then can claim. And as Ben's said, that would be damn jialat... especially if your car is moving.

 

Same thing with tyres.

 

Very useful meh, this kind of warranty? Free warranty, of course we take, but I don't see how it's an actual selling point.

Can't "praise" you in the system. So do it here

[Icetee168]

is not just the 3 years warranty for the gearbox that is troubling me...it is also the maintenance free CVT gearbox which is just like our maintenance free battery...only to be replaced when spoilted...can any bro verify if it is true...thanks

[Alvinnoob]

is not just the 3 years warranty for the gearbox that is troubling me...it is also the maintenance free CVT gearbox which is just like our maintenance free battery...only to be replaced when spoilted...can any bro verify if it is true...thanks

Thought there is gear fluid to change?

[Muser]

is not just the 3 years warranty for the gearbox that is troubling me...it is also the maintenance free CVT gearbox which is just like our maintenance free battery...only to be replaced when spoilted...can any bro verify if it is true...thanks

 

What exactly is troubling you?

 

Are you worried that there's no way to maintain the CVT even if you wanted to? If that's the case, don't worry, you can actually change the CVT fluid, and I can't recall offhand but MI actually has a schedule to change it at very high mileage (something like 100k). Pro-Subaru workshops such as BKS recommend a shorter interval (something like 60k).

 

However, changing the CVT at extremely short intervals (say, every 10k or 20k) probably wouldn't lengthen the CVT's lifespan, since CVT wear-and-tear is mainly caused by use/abuse, not old CVT fluid. So it's about driving style. My understanding is that the CVT is stressed most at high revs, as well as when it's subjected to high loads while the torque converter is still unlocked (Subaru Lineartronic CVTs utilise conventional locking torque converters, which means that when you start moving from standstill, the torque converter slips by design until it finds an optimal point to lock). Once locked, stress on the CVT is dramatically reduced until you reach higher revs.

 

The maintenance-free battery actually isn't the right comparison since batteries have much shorter lifespans than CVTs, and owners can almost always expect to replace their batteries during the course of ownership, whereas this isn't true of CVTs, unless you are suay, racer, keep a car for a long time, or buy an old CVT car to renew COE. More to the point, maintenance-free batteries really can't be maintained even if you wanted to.

Edited December 15, 2016 by Muser

[Theoldjaffa]

is not just the 3 years warranty for the gearbox that is troubling me...it is also the maintenance free CVT gearbox which is just like our maintenance free battery...only to be replaced when spoilted...can any bro verify if it is true...thanks

 

if you don't thrash the car, do WOT at every traffic light, the CVT will last. CVTs are meant for smooth and sedate driving.

 

i used to drive a Lancer CS3 with CVT in 2006. that time, alot of people also pui chao nua at CVTs, say its got rubber band feeling, it spoils easily (especially the INVECS III).

 

but for me, i used it for 3.5 years crossing more than 100k mileage and never once did it break down or had grinding noise or problems with shifting. just scheduled CVT fluid change and normal driving.

[Carhorn]

ok 不要怕。 没事没事

something to note. The FXT and the NA versions use different CVT. FXT is the High Torque version, the oil use also different.

 

CVT buay anyhow spoil unless

(1) u like to keep launching ur car to beat ur personal best 0-100km/h.

(2) u try and go tune to 300whp with ur buay kan and buay zai tuner who promised u the world

(3) u suka suka use paddles to upshift and downshift everytime while on the roads thinking u r Rosberg

(4) u go and do servicing (change cvt fluid) outside MI and ur workshop are clueless that ur FXT need high torque CVT oil.

 

anyone want to add in?

[mrhan1982]

What exactly is troubling you?

 

Are you worried that there's no way to maintain the CVT even if you wanted to? If that's the case, don't worry, you can actually change the CVT fluid, and I can't recall offhand but MI actually has a schedule to change it at very high mileage (something like 100k). Pro-Subaru workshops such as BKS recommend a shorter interval (something like 60k).

 

However, changing the CVT at extremely short intervals (say, every 10k or 20k) probably wouldn't lengthen the CVT's lifespan, since CVT wear-and-tear is mainly caused by use/abuse, not old CVT fluid. So it's about driving style. My understanding is that the CVT is stressed most at high revs, as well as when it's subjected to high loads while the torque converter is still unlocked (Subaru Lineartronic CVTs utilise conventional locking torque converters, which means that when you start moving from standstill, the torque converter slips by design until it finds an optimal point to lock). Once locked, stress on the CVT is dramatically reduced until you reach higher revs.

 

The maintenance-free battery actually isn't the right comparison since batteries have much shorter lifespans than CVTs, and owners can almost always expect to replace their batteries during the course of ownership, whereas this isn't true of CVTs, unless you are suay, racer, keep a car for a long time, or buy an old CVT car to renew COE. More to the point, maintenance-free batteries really can't be maintained even if you wanted to.

I not sure how cvt works. But the subaru one is the best I've ever experienced. Having tried car from Toyota, Honda and Nissan, none is as smart and responsive as the subaru's. It has very little lag and is more responsive than most 6 speed auto boxes. Dsg and dct maybe faster but they can get quite cranky at times..

If the cvt in my fxt can last 200k km before giving problem (assuming proper maintenance and no tracking) I very happy liao.

My the other concern is the prolonged use of motul 300v 5w40 engine oil for fxt. Prolong as in I always change every 10k but changed back to 300v. Since it is a racing oil, i wonder if its a good idea to keep using it. Currently in into 7k plus and the oil seems to be as good as day one. Idling is smooth and low rpm. On the go, engine revs very fast and smooth and quiet too. Haven had such experience with any other engine oil before. Most engine oils deteriorate after 5-7 k.. this motul is sibei power...

Edited December 15, 2016 by mrhan1982

[Muser]

ok 不要怕。 没事没事

something to note. The FXT and the NA versions use different CVT. FXT is the High Torque version, the oil use also different.

 

CVT buay anyhow spoil unless

(1) u like to keep launching ur car to beat ur personal best 0-100km/h.

(2) u try and go tune to 300whp with ur buay kan and buay zai tuner who promised u the world

(3) u suka suka use paddles to upshift and downshift everytime while on the roads thinking u r Rosberg

(4) u go and do servicing (change cvt fluid) outside MI and ur workshop are clueless that ur FXT need high torque CVT oil.

 

anyone want to add in?

(5) u ask outside workshop to change CVT fluid and they replace with ATF 

(6) u tow other vehicles all the time (torque converter constantly unlocked) 

(7) u put your foot down when driving to KL, and only lift it when you arrive 

 

Just to add to your point 3 - using the paddle shifters themselves shouldn't shorten CVT lifespan. It's if you use them to constantly raise your revs that you increase wear and tear.

My the other concern is the prolonged use of motul 300v 5w40 engine oil for fxt. Prolong as in I always change every 10k but changed back to 300v. Since it is a racing oil, i wonder if its a good idea to keep using it.

 

If you're really worried, yet are happy with the oil, then just change at slightly shorter intervals lor - somewhere between 5k and 10k. That's what I'd do, anyway.

[mrhan1982]

(5) u ask outside workshop to change CVT fluid and they replace with ATF

(6) u tow other vehicles all the time (torque converter constantly unlocked)

(7) u put your foot down when driving to KL, and only lift it when you arrive

 

Just to add to your point 3 - using the paddle shifters themselves shouldn't shorten CVT lifespan. It's if you use them to constantly raise your revs that you increase wear and tear.

 

 

If you're really worried, yet are happy with the oil, then just change at slightly shorter intervals lor - somewhere between 5k and 10k. That's what I'd do, anyway.

Actually I've decided to ignore my concern and keep using the 300v. Lol. It's too good to change at shorter intervals. Change sooner also waste money. Heheh

[Alvinnoob]

Actually I've decided to ignore my concern and keep using the 300v. Lol. It's too good to change at shorter intervals. Change sooner also waste money. Heheh

How different does your engine react to 300v and shell helix?

[mrhan1982]

How different does your engine react to 300v and shell helix?

Hard to describe. U got to try it yourself. In short, helix is crap that i will never put in my car again. Rather put amsoil or Castrol.

[Muser]

Hard to describe. U got to try it yourself. In short, helix is crap that i will never put in my car again. Rather put amsoil or Castrol.

Except that MI will never let you use Amsoil, no matter how much you offer to pay.

[Esee]

Pertaining to CVT, would it be beneficial to install a CVT oil cooler?

 

I have installed a ATF cooler on my retiring RN6 Stream since new. Now 230k and still going strong.

 

Not sure about CVT though.

 

Thanks!

Edited December 15, 2016 by Esee

[mrhan1982]

Except that MI will never let you use Amsoil, no matter how much you offer to pay.

Actually after using motul, I dun care about other engine oil liao. Best part is MI is selling 300v cheaply to customers. Hard to resist. Lol...

[Muser]

Actually after using motul, I dun care about other engine oil liao. Best part is MI is selling 300v cheaply to customers. Hard to resist. Lol...

When MI sells stuff cheap, better check the manufacturing date. Yes, oil degrades on the shelf.

[Nyox]

I not sure how cvt works. But the subaru one is the best I've ever experienced. Having tried car from Toyota, Honda and Nissan, none is as smart and responsive as the subaru's. It has very little lag and is more responsive than most 6 speed auto boxes. Dsg and dct maybe faster but they can get quite cranky at times..

If the cvt in my fxt can last 200k km before giving problem (assuming proper maintenance and no tracking) I very happy liao.

My the other concern is the prolonged use of motul 300v 5w40 engine oil for fxt. Prolong as in I always change every 10k but changed back to 300v. Since it is a racing oil, i wonder if its a good idea to keep using it. Currently in into 7k plus and the oil seems to be as good as day one. Idling is smooth and low rpm. On the go, engine revs very fast and smooth and quiet too. Haven had such experience with any other engine oil before. Most engine oils deteriorate after 5-7 k.. this motul is sibei power...

You are absolutely spot on, Subaru's CVT is responsive and is actually quite enjoyable. Unlike the CVT from Nissan or Mitsubishi which I absolutely hated. Driving the XT made me change my perception on CVTs.

[Yeowww]

Except that MI will never let you use Amsoil, no matter how much you offer to pay.

 

What's the story?  Why they avoid amsoil like plague?

[Rayoflight]

Actually i asked before if anyone thinking of installing the cvt transmission cooler?